Seriously, this seems to be an issue for a while... I've seen quite a few Nintendo-related pics that are tagged Super Smash Brothers for no reason other than the fact that the characters shown on them appeared in that game, even if those specific pictures don't have anything to do with Smash.
For example, I just came across a picture of Daisy wearing an Evangelion bodysuit, and it is tagged Smash Brothers... So I removed that tag because Evangelion has nothing to do with Smash.
Not everything Nintendo-related is Smash Brothers, so the Smash Brothers tag should really only be used in crossover and parody pictures that reference it.
Going by the commentary and the use of the SSB hashtag, the artist is referencing Daisy being an echo fighter of Peach in SSB, crossing over with Evangelion's existentialist themes regarding certain characters. I'd say that's pretty clearly SSB related, so the tag fits imo.
Going by the commentary and the use of the SSB hashtag, the artist is referencing Daisy being an echo fighter of Peach in SSB, crossing over with Evangelion's existentialist themes regarding certain characters. I'd say that's pretty clearly SSB related, so the tag fits imo.
Seems like a very vague reference that many people will not notice...
Regardless, I've seen other pictures tagged Smash Brothers for no proper reason, and I did check the source pages for any references first before deciding whether or not to remove that tag. Didn't do so for this Daisy one...
Going by the commentary and the use of the SSB hashtag, the artist is referencing Daisy being an echo fighter of Peach in SSB, crossing over with Evangelion's existentialist themes regarding certain characters. I'd say that's pretty clearly SSB related, so the tag fits imo.
That... seems like a bit of a reach, even with the commentary.
That... seems like a bit of a reach, even with the commentary.
Then please explain why else they would draw Daisy, a character well known for just being 2P Peach, especially in SSB, wearing an outfit from an anime that prominently featured cloning and existentialism, with the artist commentary "You Are (Not) A Clone" and tag it #SmashBros and #Evangelion.
My only question for them would be why they chose Asuka's plugsuit over Rei's if the subject was being a clone, but I'm hardly up to date on whatever Asuka has been through in the EVA franchise.
Then please explain why else they would draw Daisy, a character well known for just being 2P Peach, especially in SSB, wearing an outfit from an anime that prominently featured cloning and existentialism, with the artist commentary "You Are (Not) A Clone" and tag it #SmashBros and #Evangelion.
My only question for them would be why they chose Asuka's plugsuit over Rei's if the subject was being a clone, but I'm hardly up to date on whatever Asuka has been through in the EVA franchise.
It is still a very vague like reference. In fact, it isn't considered a reference at all if the artist didn't make a comment about it due to the fact Evangelion has no representation in Smash. If the author makes no comment about it, then it is simply a Mario and Evangelion crossover. However, if the pic is something like Daisy wearing a Zero Suit, then it has a stronger relation to Smash Brothers because of Zero Suit Samus.
But even with the artist's comment, you can't really consider it to be an actual Smash Brothers reference due to the reason I said earlier that Evangelion has no relation to Smash whatsoever. If the artist's comment matters a lot in tagging, then you can literally add the Smash Brothers tag onto any picture if the artist makes even the slightest reference to it.
Let's say you see a picture of Master Chief shooting Metroids, and the artist comment says he thinks Master Chief's armor looks like Samus's power suit, then proceeds to say it would be awesome if he is in Smash Brothers facing off against her. Does that really warrant a Smash Brothers tag when the actual picture has no Smash Brothers reference?
If the picture has something like Sandbag or a Smash symbol hidden in it somewhere, then yes, but going by artist comment alone, it's not enough to warrant one.
You are supposed to tag what you see, not what the artist says. So in regards to the Daisy picture, it does not actually have anything Smash brothers related at all or something that people can associate it with. Just because the author says he was thinking about Smash Brothers when he drew it does not make it a legitimate reference.
game2009 said: You are supposed to tag what you see, not what the artist says. So in regards to the Daisy picture, it does not actually have anything Smash brothers related at all or something that people can associate it with. Just because the author says he was thinking about Smash Brothers when he drew it does not make it a legitimate reference.
Daisy is still actually a character in Smash Brothers, for all of your debating here. If the artist says a piece with a character from Smash Brothers is a Smash Brothers piece, why deny that in any way? I can definitely understand why you might be worried about tag dilution, but I'm not sure that this particular piece is the hill to die on for this. There are a lot of pieces of just Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena and Min-Min tagged with Super Smash Brothers that I'd be much more willing to trim out than this.
Instead of hyperfocusing on one piece, let's branch out and make some decisions about what WOULD constitute making a piece Smash Brothers centric with a single character. Is a costume that was first showcased in Smash enough to warrant the tag? What about a move that was popularized by it?
Daisy is still actually a character in Smash Brothers, for all of your debating here. If the artist says a piece with a character from Smash Brothers is a Smash Brothers piece, why deny that in any way? I can definitely understand why you might be worried about tag dilution, but I'm not sure that this particular piece is the hill to die on for this. There are a lot of pieces of just Wii Fit Trainer, Palutena and Min-Min tagged with Super Smash Brothers that I'd be much more willing to trim out than this.
Instead of hyperfocusing on one piece, let's branch out and make some decisions about what WOULD constitute making a piece Smash Brothers centric with a single character. Is a costume that was first showcased in Smash enough to warrant the tag? What about a move that was popularized by it?
Being in Smash Bros. doesn't automatically warrant that tag. The characters and pics you mentioned really shouldn't be tagged Smash Bros. just because of their presence in that game if they do not have actual Smash references. If that tag is necessary simply because of presence, then you might as well tag Marvel vs. Capcom onto every single picture of Ryu from Street Fighter because he is a playable character in that game.
The Smash tag should only be used if the picture has an obvious Smash reference. Let's say a picture shows Bowser breathing fire. There's no need for a Smash tag because Bowser has always been known to breathe fire, no matter what game he is in. If the picture shows him using Flying Slam on Mario, then that does warrant a Smash Bros. tag because that move is invented by Smash Bros. for him and isn't used in his home series.
Or say a picture shows Captain Falcon posing next to his vehicle. If there is nothing in that pic that is related to Smash Bros., then simply an F-Zero tag will suffice, but if the pic shows him using Falcon Punch, a move invented for him in Smash Bros., then go ahead and put in that tag.
In the same vein, not everything Nintendo-related needs the Nintendo tag.
Do not use this tag for images which do not contain references to the hardware, logo, or staff related to the company (like Iwata_Satoru or Miyamoto_Shigeru).
For crossovers or character appearances, please use the associated copyright or company_connection tags instead.
Reminds me of the other side of the Cardboard Box Image Repository (a.k.a. Gel board) where Pokemon images are tagged with Game freak or such.
That happens over here too from time to time, but it’s not much and I keep it clean. There’s just way too much stuff tagged Nintendo and I didn’t feel masochistic enough to tackle that. Anyone bored feel free to browse nintendo -company_connection -logo status:any and check if posts need to be tagged company_connection or logo (bland copyright notices don’t count) or should not be tagged Nintendo.
It is still a very vague like reference. In fact, it isn't considered a reference at all if the artist didn't make a comment about it due to the fact Evangelion has no representation in Smash. If the author makes no comment about it, then it is simply a Mario and Evangelion crossover. However, if the pic is something like Daisy wearing a Zero Suit, then it has a stronger relation to Smash Brothers because of Zero Suit Samus.
But even with the artist's comment, you can't really consider it to be an actual Smash Brothers reference due to the reason I said earlier that Evangelion has no relation to Smash whatsoever. If the artist's comment matters a lot in tagging, then you can literally add the Smash Brothers tag onto any picture if the artist makes even the slightest reference to it.
Let's say you see a picture of Master Chief shooting Metroids, and the artist comment says he thinks Master Chief's armor looks like Samus's power suit, then proceeds to say it would be awesome if he is in Smash Brothers facing off against her. Does that really warrant a Smash Brothers tag when the actual picture has no Smash Brothers reference?
If the picture has something like Sandbag or a Smash symbol hidden in it somewhere, then yes, but going by artist comment alone, it's not enough to warrant one.
You are supposed to tag what you see, not what the artist says. So in regards to the Daisy picture, it does not actually have anything Smash brothers related at all or something that people can associate it with. Just because the author says he was thinking about Smash Brothers when he drew it does not make it a legitimate reference.
Oh hey! I figured I'd butt in here seeing as I'm the one who uploaded the picture you are referencing. (post #4147639) The reason that this is, in fact, a Super Smash Bros. reference should be pretty obvious if you've played Ultimate as it's shown plenty of times in-game, watched her reveal trailer, character spotlight, or just bothered to look at her profile on the Ultimate website. Her plugsuit sports "13ε" - her unique fighter number in Ultimate. She was the first character to formally labeled as an Echo Fighter and subsequently the first fighter to have an epsilon next to her number. This image is riffing off of this, as despite being the 65th character introduced, the game makes her share the same number as Peach, and slaps a Greek letter next to it just because she is a "Clone," despite similar characters such as Falco or Pichu arguably fitting the bill and not receiving the same treatment. Hence, the artist prominently displaying her assigned fighter number and adding the commentary of "~You Are (Not) A Clone~". The Evangelion getup, once again, is further a riff on this as their plugsuits are numbered in a similar fashion.
tl;dr - 13ε on the plugsuit makes it a Smash Bros. reference.
Oh hey! I figured I'd butt in here seeing as I'm the one who uploaded the picture you are referencing. (post #4147639) The reason that this is, in fact, a Super Smash Bros. reference should be pretty obvious if you've played Ultimate as it's shown plenty of times in-game, watched her reveal trailer, character spotlight, or just bothered to look at her profile on the Ultimate website. Her plugsuit sports "13ε" - her unique fighter number in Ultimate. She was the first character to formally labeled as an Echo Fighter and subsequently the first fighter to have an epsilon next to her number. This image is riffing off of this, as despite being the 65th character introduced, the game makes her share the same number as Peach, and slaps a Greek letter next to it just because she is a "Clone," despite similar characters such as Falco or Pichu arguably fitting the bill and not receiving the same treatment. Hence, the artist prominently displaying her assigned fighter number and adding the commentary of "~You Are (Not) A Clone~". The Evangelion getup, once again, is further a riff on this as their plugsuits are numbered in a similar fashion.
tl;dr - 13ε on the plugsuit makes it a Smash Bros. reference.
Of course I'm aware of SSBU and the reasoning for the tag, but I still don't think it's obvious enough.
