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It is undoubtedly a pet tag. Virtually all posts tagged with it have been from one user who has a terrible track record of making unusually specific fighting-related tags and perpetuating other very question tags, such as MMA gloves, grappling gloves, and berserker rage. The user's entire change history needs review and this tag's existence is dubious at best.
Veradux said:
It is undoubtedly a pet tag. Virtually all posts tagged with it have been from one user who has a terrible track record of making unusually specific fighting-related tags and perpetuating other very question tags, such as MMA gloves, grappling gloves, and berserker rage. The user's entire change history needs review and this tag's existence is dubious at best.
Even if it's a pet tag from some user, I think the concept is good on its own, it's not a strange modality of fight someone would look for. It may need a rename because mixed_gender_duel doesn't sound very intuitive.
The tag is worthless and here's why. A duel isn't just a fight...it's a fight between TWO combatants. The wiki for the tag duel even says as much. Knowing this...how is mixed_gender_duel any different than just searching "duel 1girl 1boy" or even "duel 1girl" (if, like me, you're restricted to a 2-tag search)...that's going to net you basically the same results.
And where does such a tag realistically end? If mixed gender duel is cool...then why not make mixed_gender_sport or mixed_gender_bathing or mixed_gender_dining...there's a ton of activities that you could apply this tag structure to, but...why? Simple combinations of tags that already exist will find these things easily.
Like OP said...pet tag from a user who's obviously just a little bit too into fighting and it's causing them to make needless tags.
GoldenRonald said:
The tag is worthless and here's why. A duel isn't just a fight...it's a fight between TWO combatants. The wiki for the tag duel even says as much. Knowing this...how is mixed_gender_duel any different than just searching "duel 1girl 1boy" or even "duel 1girl" (if, like me, you're restricted to a 2-tag search)...that's going to net you basically the same results.
Searching for "duel 1girl" as a substitute for this tag would also give you any picture where two boys (or one boy one other, or two others) are fighting and a single girl is also present in the picture somewhere. Such as for example post #4518110 post #3181761 post #1356241 post #1855991 post #595537 post #3730915 post #2026964 ...
Meanwhile, searching for "duel 1boy 1girl" would exclude every single picture where a duel happens but more than one single boy and one single girl are present in the picture.
As much as this seems like a pet tag there isn't really any one search I can think of that would be a substitute for it without either including false positives or excluding relevant results (because there's a mixed gender duel in the picture, but also more than 1boy or 1girl present.)
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Astolfo said:
As much as this seems like a pet tag there isn't really any one search I can think of that would be a substitute for it without either including false positives or excluding relevant results (because there's a mixed gender duel in the picture, but also more than 1boy or 1girl present.)
Then it needs to be fully populated and given a wiki.
And also doesn't change that the guy's edits need to be given a once-over. Seriously, he made a now thankfully pruned "bara tits" tag.
Astolfo said:
Searching for "duel 1girl" as a substitute for this tag would also give you any picture where two boys (or one boy one other, or two others) are fighting and a single girl is also present in the picture somewhere. Such as for example post #4518110 post #3181761 post #1356241 post #1855991 post #595537 post #3730915 post #2026964 ...
I literally only used that example because of the 2-tag limit on searches, but that is not the ideal search. Obviously.
Astolfo said:
Meanwhile, searching for "duel 1boy 1girl" would exclude every single picture where a duel happens but more than one single boy and one single girl are present in the picture.
Yeah, that's true. I counted about 3 posts specifically that would be excluded due to there being extra background characters. Not enough to justify the existence of this ridiculous tag. I don't count the 4th image because, well, there's 4 characters and they're all fighting, which means it's not a "duel".
I also like how you seem to have discovered the limitations of the tagging system for apparently the first time? Yes...MOST multi-tag searches do not return perfect results. There's always outlying cases that corrupt the search due to the inherently inexact nature of some tags. For instance if I search "1girl 1boy sex" I'm not 100% guaran-fucking-teed to see 1 boy having sex with 1 girl. Could be the girl is getting fucked by a monster and the boy is just watching. Doesn't mean we suddenly need a new tag "1_boy_vaginally_penetrating_1_girl_no_others_involved_kthnx".
Astolfo said:
As much as this seems like a pet tag there isn't really any one search I can think of that would be a substitute for it
1. There is a search that substitutes for it well enough. 2. Why does it need a search that subs for it again? The tag is a curiosity at best. It's not like there's been anyone ever whose logged onto Danbooru like "man I really need to see some mixed-gender dueling like yesterday".
I noticed you didn't even dare TOUCH my point about other tags that could be introduced using this same logic: mixed_gender_sport or mixed_gender_bathing or mixed_gender_dining...do we need to start tagging those too? Get working on the wiki for all of those while you're at it.
We already have mixed bathing (and shared bathing).
I don't see a problem with this tag, it might be a pet tag but it's still an objectively taggable concept that can't be replaced with a simple search.
Does having this tag contribute negatively to the site? It's not an overly specific variant of another tag (unless you consider battle/fighting sufficient, but we can't even enforce the difference between the two so I doubt it), and it's not padding, give the massive variation between content of fighting posts (same gender, woman/man vs monster, robots, war, space fights, etc) so I see no reason to get rid of it.
It should probably be renamed to mixed-gender duel or mixed-gender fighting or something better phrased but I see no issue with its existence.
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GoldenRonald said:
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I don't know why you're responding to me on such an abrasive tone? You're acting like this is my tag and I ruined the site by making it. I frankly don't care whether the tag exists or not hence my neutral vote, all I really said was that the substitute searches were not perfect and could include false positives.
And I know how the tagging system works, thanks - you don't seem to though, monsters are tagged 1boy too so that example of yours would be 2boys 1girl sex. If you don't want monsters or animals in your 1boy 1girl sex search you have to exclude them or blacklist them.
nonamethanks said:
It should probably be renamed to mixed-gender duel or mixed-gender fighting or something better phrased but I see no issue with its existence.
It comes down to either duel or fighting. As it is now, it's a duel for 1v1 male vs. female. Would we want to keep that granularity or expand it to fighting to be group combat as well?
I'd rename it to boys vs. girls (or boys versus girls), especially if you want to imply that it has to be a group. Boy vs. girl would imply solo, but boys vs. girls would work OK for solo too.
e? said:
I'd rename it to boys vs. girls (or boys versus girls), especially if you want to imply that it has to be a group. Boy vs. girl would imply solo, but boys vs. girls would work OK for solo too.
Sounds more intuitive and direct to the point. We could have mixed-gender fighting (or duel) aliased to it as well.
e? said:
I'd rename it to boys vs. girls (or boys versus girls), especially if you want to imply that it has to be a group. Boy vs. girl would imply solo, but boys vs. girls would work OK for solo too.
That sounds way too ambiguous to me. If this is supposed to be about girls fighting boys, then "boys vs girls" would be too open to interpretation for the 99% of users that aren't gonna read the wiki. You could slap that on any post featuring any sort of conflict between a girl and a boy, on top of causing issues with abiguous and nongendered characters.
@blindVigil said:
That sounds way too ambiguous to me. If this is supposed to be about girls fighting boys, then "boys vs girls" would be too open to interpretation for the 99% of users that aren't gonna read the wiki. You could slap that on any post featuring any sort of conflict between a girl and a boy, on top of causing issues with abiguous and nongendered characters.
Conflict and fighting (duels/battles/wars) ain't so different! There's always fighting (which is actually about trivial conflicts with minimal injury), duel, and battle, anyway.
e? said:
Conflict and fighting (duels/battles/wars) ain't so different! There's always fighting (which is actually about trivial conflicts with minimal injury), duel, and battle, anyway.
What about a boy and girl playing videogames? Or a quiz show where the contestants are a mix of boys and girls? Both of those are certainly "conflicts" and could certainly be viewed as "boys vs girls," but neither of those examples count as fighting to my understanding. Fighting playing_games does get a few results, but in every example the game playing and fighting are unrelated, or the players are also engaging physically. Even something where you just have one or more boys face-to-face against one or more girls would be boys vs girls but not fighting, battle, or duel.
I personally don't see value in trying to include every possible example of a mixed gender conflict (theoretically I think even rape could be argued to fall under that) under one tag. I think mixed gender battles, shockingly rare as they are given the amount of girls on the site and how often villains are male, are a very worthwhile concept to tag, but including arguing and other minor conflicts would just muddy the value of the tag, more so since no one uses fighting correctly and it would ruin the search whether included or excluded.
blindVigil said:
What about a boy and girl playing videogames? Or a quiz show where the contestants are a mix of boys and girls? Both of those are certainly "conflicts" and could certainly be viewed as "boys vs girls," but neither of those examples count as fighting to my understanding. Fighting playing_games does get a few results, but in every example the game playing and fighting are unrelated, or the players are also engaging physically. Even something where you just have one or more boys face-to-face against one or more girls would be boys vs girls but not fighting, battle, or duel.
I personally don't see value in trying to include every possible example of a mixed gender conflict (theoretically I think even rape could be argued to fall under that) under one tag. I think mixed gender battles, shockingly rare as they are given the amount of girls on the site and how often villains are male, are a very worthwhile concept to tag, but including arguing and other minor conflicts would just muddy the value of the tag, more so since no one uses fighting correctly and it would ruin the search whether included or excluded.
Yeah, the concept should solely be focused on battles and not every type of conflict. I think we should go for mixed-gender battle as it would be in accordance with the battle tag, while fighting is for any trivial conflict.
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