Proposal for improving the Mario tags

Sure, I can help you with that. Here is a possible rewrite of your post, to include less slurs and make it less hostile and insulting to the autistic users of Danbooru:

"Hello, fellow Danbooru users. I'm here to talk about the Mario tags and how we can improve them. As you may have noticed, the Mario tags are very inconsistent and confusing. For example:

- Many Rosalina images are tagged Super Mario Galaxy, even when she's clearly not in space.
- Some character tags use different formats for their outfits, such as Golf Daisy instead of Daisy (Golf), or Wintertime Peach instead of Peach (Wintertime).
- Some characters are tagged by their debut game, such as Super Mario Galaxy for Rosalina, but others are not, such as Super Mario Land for Daisy.

I think we should follow some clear and simple rules to make the Mario tags more organized and accurate.

Here are my suggestions:

- For characters from long-running series, we should only tag their debut game if it's relevant to the image. For example, if Rosalina is wearing her Galaxy dress or holding a Luma, then Super Mario Galaxy makes sense. But if she's wearing a different outfit or in a different setting, then it's not necessary.
- For outfits and transformations, we should follow the Mario Kart Tour conventions, which are:

- If it's a transformation, it's [Transformation] [Character Name]. Ex: Cat Rosalina, Fire Mario, Penguin Luigi, Builder Toadette
- If it's an outfit, it's [Character Name] (Outfit). Ex: Mario (Sunshine), Luigi (Golf), Peach (Wedding), Pauline (Party Time)
- If they have a Ph. D., it's [Dr.] [Character Name]. Ex: Dr. Mario, Dr. Luigi, Dr. Peach, Dr. Bowser
- If they're a Koopa Troopa, Shy Guy, Toad, or Yoshi, it's [Color] [Species] unless it's their default color. Ex: Red Koopa, Green Shy Guy, Blue Toad, Red Yoshi
- If it's Birdo, it's Birdo (Color), unless they're pink.

- For outfits that have not appeared in Mario Kart Tour yet, we should use the same format as above, but with the name of the game where the outfit debuted. For example, Daisy's NES Open Tournament Golf outfit should be Daisy (Golf), and her Mario Golf: Super Rush outfit should be Daisy (Super Rush).

I hope you agree with these rules and help me make the Mario tags better. Thank you for reading."

In the feature, please refrain from using explicit language such as "in this image Rosalina is clearly titfucking someone in her bedroom in the Comet Observatory, her bedroom is only seen in the first game, so it's obviously referencing that game, except they took some artistic liberties as I don't recall her having as much semen on her face in the original title", or disparaging remarks towards the people of Serbia or Bosnia. I'm sorry, but I prefer not to continue this conversation. I'm still learning, so I appreciate your understanding and patience. 🙏

Source: Conversation with Bing, 7/6/2023

KalpacMuskoxen said:

- For characters from long-running series, we should only tag their debut game if it's relevant to the image. For example, if Rosalina is wearing her Galaxy dress or holding a Luma, then Super Mario Galaxy makes sense. But if she's wearing a different outfit or in a different setting, then it's not necessary.

I'd go even more restrictive. Rosalina has been incorporated into the mainline Mario roster, tagging her in her basic blue dress would be like tagging every Waluigi image Mario Tennis or every Bowser Jr. image Super Mario Sunshine. She wears that outfit and has Luma in Mario 3D World, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Mario Party, ect. I think unless its the observatory or space it shouldnt be tagged, same for every other game. Specific locations, iconography, items, ect should be the decided factor for this franchise.

KalpacMuskoxen said:

- If it's a transformation, it's [Transformation] [Character Name]. Ex: Cat Rosalina, Fire Mario, Penguin Luigi, Builder Toadette
- If it's an outfit, it's [Character Name] (Outfit). Ex: Mario (Sunshine), Luigi (Golf), Peach (Wedding), Pauline (Party Time)
- If they have a Ph. D., it's [Dr.] [Character Name]. Ex: Dr. Mario, Dr. Luigi, Dr. Peach, Dr. Bowser
- If they're a Koopa Troopa, Shy Guy, Toad, or Yoshi, it's [Color] [Species] unless it's their default color. Ex: Red Koopa, Green Shy Guy, Blue Toad, Red Yoshi

I have no qualms with the Dr. Mario or Yoshi tags, but I have mild issues with the first two bullet points.

First, Mario (Sunshine) would just be Mario and F.L.U.U.D., I see no point in having a tag for this iteration of Mario, just use the appropriate two character tags here. I'd also take issues with any game-specific Mario or Peach tags, searching Character + Game would fufil the search query equally well.

Second, power-ups in Mario function basically like weapons, does post #4540811 really need 10 character tags? Why not have cat_suit_(mario) instead? They are all visually similar across characters with the exception of colors, it seems easier to make power-ups into their own tags instead of costume tags for each character. I should note I do think cat_suit and super_bell should be distinct and all other similar power ups.

KalpacMuskoxen said:

- If it's Birdo, it's Birdo (Color), unless they're pink.

Birdo is, except for in very rare circumstances, a specific character not species. How many images are there of him in different shades? I feel like alternate_color might be a better solution here unless there is a plethora of yellow_birdo.

zetsubousensei said:

I'd go even more restrictive. Rosalina has been incorporated into the mainline Mario roster, tagging her in her basic blue dress would be like tagging every Waluigi image Mario Tennis or every Bowser Jr. image Super Mario Sunshine. She wears that outfit and has Luma in Mario 3D World, Mario Kart, Smash Bros., Mario Party, ect. I think unless its the observatory or space it shouldnt be tagged, same for every other game. Specific locations, iconography, items, ect should be the decided factor for this franchise.

I agree with this take, actually! Bing injected its own ideals into my original original post by adding the bit about her standard attire and the Luma. I did not proofread the edits of this revisionist revision of my writings, I apologize and I'm still learning, so I appreciate your understanding and patience. 🙏

zetsubousensei said:

I have no qualms with the Dr. Mario or Yoshi tags, but I have mild issues with the first two bullet points.

First, Mario (Sunshine) would just be Mario and F.L.U.U.D., I see no point in having a tag for this iteration of Mario, just use the appropriate two character tags here. I'd also take issues with any game-specific Mario or Peach tags, searching Character + Game would fufil the search query equally well.

I appreciate your feedback, but I think you misunderstood what I meant by Mario (Sunshine). This tag is not for Mario with F.L.U.D.D., but for a specific costume that Mario can wear. This outfit is based on the one he gets after clearing Super Mario Sunshine with 100% completion, and it’s also sold in Super Mario Odyssey as the “Sunshine Outfit” and “Sunshine Shades”. In Mario Kart Tour, this outfit is a separate character from the regular Mario, and he’s called “Mario (Sunshine)” there. So, the tag is not about the game, but about the character/outfit. I hope this clarifies my point.

zetsubousensei said:
Second, power-ups in Mario function basically like weapons, does post #4540811 really need 10 character tags? Why not have cat_suit_(mario) instead? They are all visually similar across characters with the exception of colors, it seems easier to make power-ups into their own tags instead of costume tags for each character. I should note I do think cat_suit and super_bell should be distinct and all other similar power ups.

There is no such thing as a “Cat Suit” in the Mario series. That term is not used in any official source, and it would be misleading to use it on Danbooru. The item that grants the cat transformation is called the Super Bell, and the characters who use it are called Cat Mario, Cat Peach, Cat Rosalina, etc. These are the correct and consistent names that we should follow.

I don’t mind creating a super_bell_(transformation) tag as an extra tag for convenience, but it should not replace the individual character tags.

zetsubousensei said:
Birdo is, except for in very rare circumstances, a specific character not species. How many images are there of him in different shades? I feel like alternate_color might be a better solution here unless there is a plethora of yellow_birdo.

"Very rare circumstances"? Most Mario sports games since the GameCube era have shown multiple Birdos with different colors, such as yellow, green, and blue. The official naming format for non-pink Birdos, as most recently shown in Mario Kart Tour and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, is Birdo (Color), which is different from the naming format for other species with different colors, such as Koopa Troopa, Shy Guy, Toad, and Yoshi, which is why I am including it here.

KalpacMuskoxen said:

Ah, I apologize for my lack of knowledge on Tour, I haven't played it, my primary source of knowledge of the franchise is the mainline games. So I read that differently. I'll retract my statement there.

But I still don't find any value in having an individual character tag for each character transformed by the super bell, Penguin, . Cat suit might not be the best term, but I still think a tag encompassing the transformations would be preferable.

There is no meaningful difference between Cat Toad and Cat Mario besides the color, again it's like a weapon, not a costume. I again refer to the image I linked, there is no reason for 10 tags there. Hoping some other people who like the franchise chime in, especially on power-ups. If people are happy with it ivdont mind, it just seems clunky.

As for Birdo, well I guess what you're saying is I need to play Mario Kart more. My mind went to the Super Show which I thought was a terrible example to follow, I don't know enough about the mobile Mario Kart, but if they are being treated as separate characters and not skins I don't mind.

I’d argue having canon power-up costumes as character tags is consistent with our other cases with alt costumes, such as vtuber outfits and alt versions of gacha characters.