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Duplicate calico tag

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やっかいな人でごめん said:

"Calico cat" is for cats with calico colored fur. "Calico" can include things with a calico pattern other than cats. These two tags are not the same.

The clause that it can also include calico patterns other than cats was added two years ago to the tag without any corresponding forum discussion, to a tag that was undeniably the calico cat tag for over a decade at this point, something which the user who made the duplicate tag two days ago, who is known to use machine translation to use this website (forum #282644), would probably have failed to notice.

All of this is to say, we could probably alias calico cat into calico without any concern, and garden anything that doesn't relate to the cat (whether it be the actual cat, calico cat costumes, calico cat girls/boys, etc) out of the tag (and into tags like calico print), but I have to imagine that instances of such wouldn't be that numerous. But if we wanted to be consistent with the other cat tags, reversing the alias would make sense.

Damian0358 said:

The clause that it can also include calico patterns other than cats was added two years ago to the tag without any corresponding forum discussion, to a tag that was undeniably the calico cat tag for over a decade at this point, something which the user who made the duplicate tag two days ago, who is known to use machine translation to use this website (forum #282644), would probably have failed to notice.

All of this is to say, we could probably alias calico cat into calico without any concern, and garden anything that doesn't relate to the cat (whether it be the actual cat, calico cat costumes, calico cat girls/boys, etc) out of the tag (and into tags like calico print), but I have to imagine that instances of such wouldn't be that numerous. But if we wanted to be consistent with the other cat tags, reversing the alias would make sense.

It only takes a minute to do a "calico -cat" search to see that people have tagged things other than cats with "calico" for over a decade. And I wouldn't tag calico print clothes or calico colored hair with calico cat.

やっかいな人でごめん said:

It only takes a minute to do a "calico -cat" search to see that people have tagged things other than cats with "calico" for over a decade.

I can see posts with cats that aren't tagged cat.

やっかいな人でごめん said:

And I wouldn't tag calico print clothes or calico colored hair with calico cat.

Half of calico -cat is just Goutokuji Mike, who is a calico cat girl, which to my knowledge also counts here, at least by Oldbooru standards. There is a reasonable argument to be made here though based on the precedent of Kemono Friends for this to be changed, and for her to be moved out of the tag, but that doesn't change that the majority of calico implicitly refers to the cat, and has explicitly been about that since 2015 when the wiki was created.

zetsubousensei said:

+1 For splitting the tag though I'm not sure what goutokuji_mike, who is a large amount of calico -cat, would be. She has calico hair but not calico_print.

We'd have to make a new tag entirely for calico hair, and we have other characters which also share this, so it wouldn't be a Mike-exclusive tag.

Damian0358 said:

I can see posts with cats that aren't tagged cat.

Half of calico -cat is just Goutokuji Mike, who is a calico cat girl, which to my knowledge also counts here, at least by Oldbooru standards. There is a reasonable argument to be made here though based on the precedent of Kemono Friends for this to be changed, and for her to be moved out of the tag, but that doesn't change that the majority of calico implicitly refers to the cat, and has explicitly been about that since 2015 when the wiki was created.

We'd have to make a new tag entirely for calico hair, and we have other characters which also share this, so it wouldn't be a Mike-exclusive tag.

The amount doesn't matter, if there are posts in calico that can't be tagged with calico cat instead, then they aren't the same tags. It's really as simple as that.

やっかいな人でごめん said:

The amount doesn't matter, if there are posts in calico that can't be tagged with calico cat instead, then they aren't the same tags. It's really as simple as that.

Then this issue extends to all the animal tags then, because original animal girls that are based on a specific animal type have had their respective tags used for their posts before. Here are three examples searching shiba inu with dog girl: post #6163870, post #6433878, post #7396411; here's two for Welsh corgi: post #7472794, post #7071717 (with a samoyed dog girl too). I could probably name other examples too, but my point is made. If there aren't enough examples for there to be a specific "animal girl/boy" tag, then generally the base animal tag is used instead.

Something like post #6131691 can't be tagged as cat, but it is a calico cat girl, and since there is no "calico cat girl" tag, the calico and cat girl tags are used instead, because of precedent set before.

Damian0358 said:

Then this issue extends to all the animal tags then,

I don't think やっかいな人でごめん meant calico cat girls, more like post #7557928 (calico hamster?) or post #4914560 (calico mug). I can't find many examples (and even the mug is not calico_(print), but a calico_cat themed object, notice the paw prints).

reg_panda said:

I don't think やっかいな人でごめん meant calico cat girls, more like post #7557928 (calico hamster?) or post #4914560 (calico mug). I can't find many examples (and even the mug is not calico_(print), but a calico_cat themed object, notice the paw prints).

If there aren't many examples, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume they're just mistags, ones induced by the name of the tag not explicitly mentioning cat despite the cat being what the tag is for?

Damian0358 said:

The clause that it can also include calico patterns other than cats was added two years ago to the tag without any corresponding forum discussion...

oh geez, who would do such a thing?

"undeniably the calico cat tag" is just, literally not true. Did you even look at the tag history of calico?

Damian0358 said:

If there aren't many examples, wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume they're just mistags, ones induced by the name of the tag not explicitly mentioning cat despite the cat being what the tag is for?

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that calico functionally is and rightfully should be for the distinctive coloration and pattern regardless of what it's on?

Aqros161 said:

"undeniably the calico cat tag" is just, literally not true. Did you even look at the tag history of calico?

Both the wiki as it was before you edited it indicated as such, and the vast, vast majority of the tag refers to anything related to calico cats, whether it be cats proper, cat girls, etc.

Wouldn't it be more reasonable to assume that calico functionally is and rightfully should be for the distinctive coloration and pattern regardless of what it's on?

The fact that searching calico -cat -cat_girl -cat_boy -furry -stuffed_animal -cat_costume still brings up stuff that relates to cats implies otherwise. And the fact that the tag has only been removed four times, two mistags on non-calico cats and two on the Calico M950 gun suggests a high degree of consistency in terms of tagging.

Damian0358 said:

the vast, vast majority of the tag refers to anything related to calico cats, whether it be cats proper, cat girls, etc.

I really do not understand what you're even on about at this point.

Of course the calico tag refers to anything related to calico cats. I'm saying that includes things that aren't themselves cats or cat people. If I saw a giant heavily armed mecha, stomping around and fighting monsters, sporting a paintjob that's white with black and orange splotches, I would think it was a calico mecha and it was painted like that to allude a calico cat's coat, even if it didn't have mechanical cat ears or a mechanical tail.

Aqros161 said:

I really do not understand what you're even on about at this point.

Of course the calico tag refers to anything related to calico cats. I'm saying that includes things that aren't themselves cats or cat people. If I saw a giant heavily armed mecha, stomping around and fighting monsters, sporting a paintjob that's white with black and orange splotches, I would think it was a calico mecha and it was painted like that to allude a calico cat's coat, even if it didn't have mechanical cat ears or a mechanical tail.

I just disagree with the notion being pushed that the calico tag wasn't made for the calico cat first and foremost, as that would imply that things with a calico pattern that aren't related to the cat being tagged with calico aren't mistags, when things are plainly obvious that they are. The fact that 'calico cat' as a tag has been nuked twice before in favor of calico adds to this too. That's why I'd be for reversing the alias, to make it obvious that the tag is about the cat, and what little doesn't refer to the cat in any form get gardened out afterward.

Damian0358 said:

I just disagree with the notion being pushed that the calico tag wasn't made for the calico cat first and foremost, as that would imply that things with a calico pattern that aren't related to the cat being tagged with calico aren't mistags, when things are plainly obvious that they are. The fact that 'calico cat' as a tag has been nuked twice before in favor of calico adds to this too. That's why I'd be for reversing the alias, to make it obvious that the tag is about the cat, and what little doesn't refer to the cat in any form get gardened out afterward.

I... what??? Nobody said that the calico tag wasn't made for the calico cat first and foremost. Where did you even get that idea from?

The calico tag is for calico cats and things that refer to them. The point I'm making is that things that have the calico pattern are referring to calico cats even if they themselves are not cats or cat people.

Aqros161 said:

I... what??? Nobody said that the calico tag wasn't made for the calico cat first and foremost. Where did you even get that idea from?

The calico tag is for calico cats and things that refer to them.

Then how could you say that it is 'just, literally not true' that calico is undeniably the calico cat tag? Or what of やっかいな人でごめん's earlier argument on how the two tags "are not the same"? That would imply the opposite.

The point I'm making is that things that have the calico pattern are referring to calico cats even if they themselves are not cats or cat people.

That can't be right though, as the pattern IRL isn't unique enough to cats for that to be the case (at least one instance of the tag mistags refers to a dog, post #603063), not to mention the fact that calico cats are named after colorful calico fabrics, not the other way around. Just because something has a calico pattern doesn't mean that it's referring to calico cats, it has to be more explicit than that - and for 99.9% of the calico tag, it is.

Damian0358 said:

Then how could you say that it is 'just, literally not true' that calico is undeniably the calico cat tag? Or what of やっかいな人でごめん's earlier argument on how the two tags "are not the same"? That would imply the opposite.

I'm pretty sure that what やっかいな人でごめん means is that "calico cat" means actual, literal cats, meaning felis catus, meaning not cat girls or print clothing or the like, and you've been misinterpreting that for this entire thread

Aqros161 said:

I'm pretty sure that what やっかいな人でごめん means is that "calico cat" means actual, literal cats, meaning felis catus, meaning not cat girls or print clothing or the like, and you've been misinterpreting that for this entire thread

No, I'm fully aware of that, but as I noted earlier, animal subtype tags being used for animal girls, etc. is consistent with other tags on-site if they don't have a dedicated tag of their own (so you won't see tiger being used for animal girls because of tiger girl, but you don't have 'calico cat girl' or 'shiba inu girl', so you use the subtype tag itself). If they have an issue with that aspect of the tag, then you'd have to change many, many more tags in the process.

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