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Braid types discussion thread

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First of all a big shoutout to AngryZapdos and others who finally took the big step into solving our age-old french braid problem (topic #27108)

There're still a lot of questions following that thread considering just how many braid hairstyles there are and how confusing they can be. But that thread was already quite long and any further discussion will get pretty chunky too. So I thought instead of asking there, we can have a new thread to discuss the follow-ups the disambiguation.

I'll start.
Both half up braid and half up half down braid use examples that has part of the hair braided while the rest is let loose. But there is another style of braid found under both tags, where the braid is joined into the rest of the hair to form a ponytail. (see half_up_braid ponytail and half_up_half_down_braid ponytail) This is problematic because depending on if you consider the ponytail the tail of the braid or not, it can be either tags.

Additionally, there's also a hairstyle where the tail of the braid is also braided. (post #1364847, post #5720390)

I think both need their own tags.

Also mentioning the fact that some of the characters listed as character examples don't always fit the criteria of the tag depending on the angle, artistic license or alternate hairstyle. I prefer we get rid of that section in favor of more post examples.

BUR #28411 has been rejected.

create alias braided_bun -> bun_with_braided_base
remove alias braided_bun -> bun_with_braided_base

I suggest we rename braided bun because hair buns made out of braids exist (post #7808536, post #7252826, post #7825522). The current name looks like that's what it's for because it matches with braided ponytail instead of ponytail with braided base.

I don't know the percentage of actual braided buns under this tag, but they're more than I expected (4/20 on the first page). If there are too many of them we might need to manually garden it instead.

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I've updated all related wikis and given images examples, although I don't know how much that'll help considering the current size of braided bun (and similarly braided ponytail). I hope we won't need to deprecate them 'cause I don't know what alternative names they can have (that's why I'm not requesting a deprecation just yet).

Can we tag a bun with braided base as such when we can't see the bun? post #6683783, post #4011067, post #6577246 post #1161284, post #5268745

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Honestly, I would consider implying half_up_half_down_braid to half_up_braid. I wanted to do this originally, but it was more important at the time to simply fix french_braid.

Something like post #7790164 should qualify for both half_up_half_down_braid and ponytail. Because realistically, it is both. As for posts like post #1364847, they should qualify for both half_up_half_down_braid and braided_ponytail. There's no reason to try and keep all of these tags seperate.

AngryZapdos said:

Something like post #7790164 should qualify for both half_up_half_down_braid and ponytail. Because realistically, it is both. As for posts like post #1364847, they should qualify for both half_up_half_down_braid and braided_ponytail. There's no reason to try and keep all of these tags seperate.

I don't think that's a braided ponytail. Only a very small portion of her hair is tied up, it's not a ponytail.
I think having more specific hairstyles tags is useful, but I'm fine with tag combinations in this case. Though if we turn it into an umbrella, the hairstyle currently tagged half up half down braid (braid with thin tail) will be harder to find. I still think the second hairstyle needs a tag, there's no way to search for it with a tag combination.

AngryZapdos said:

[...] Honestly, I would consider implying half_up_half_down_braid to half_up_braid. I wanted to do this originally, but it was more important at the time to simply fix french_braid [...]

definitely yes. half up half down braid is a subtype of the half up braid, so it'd be appropriate.

For characters like Hakui Koyori, I think creating a tag flower braid* would be most appropriate, just like how bow hair references hair shaped into a bow.

image examples:

post #7815841
post #7786719

'Flower braid' is the first thing that comes into my head at seeing them.

*!!! EDIT: So I just saw after posting this that "Flower braid" exists, and it refers to a braid with a flower attached to it. What about renaming that into braid flower instead? Y'know, just like how bow hair and hair bow are two different things, chain belt and belt chain are two different things...Or would that kind of change be too problematic/confusing?

Naming conventions get out of hand so quickly

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Ourobouro said:

For characters like Hakui Koyori, I think creating a tag flower braid* would be most appropriate, just like how bow hair references hair shaped into a bow.

image examples:

post #7735109
post #7815841
post #7786719

'Flower braid' is the first thing that comes into my head at seeing them.

I think it just happens to look like a flower because it's a braided bun (by this I refer specifically to the intended use of the tag, which is a bun made out of a braid, not its current chaotic state), I don't think another tag is necessary.

Dunno, the two are kind of different (though still not sure if the 2nd shouldn't be considered a braid).

The "Incorrect" one would be achieved by splitting hair in two and just wrapping them around each other; it's much simpler to achieve but a rarer hairstyle.
The "Correct" one would be achieved by splitting hair in three and weaving it in a specific way. That manner of arranging hair is much more common, I was taught it as a kid by my family, but to this day I have yet to perfect it, because it's more difficult than the simple twist. The "incorrect" one I found out on YouTube in my early teens, from a video similar to this one.

Interestingly enough, this tutorial I found just now to share the anecdote and the actual tutorial I found when I was younger both called the "incorrect" hairstyle a braid.

I have similar thoughts to kagayakushininggayte on this topic. I have always known the hairstyle in post #7542352 as a rope braid. I guess technically if it's made with less than three strands it's not a braid?

Also, this tag is a mess. A huge amount of it is just characters with loosely curled hair like post #7836717 and post #7812010, which should be wavy hair. Mixed in there are dreadlocks and micro twists which I guess are twisted but should probably have different tags: post #7824993. Plus 40% of the posts are from one guy: klavier gavin

The braided ponytail related discussion got carried to the topic #27964 that I linked. That's probably where this discussion should be.

nonamethanks said:

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come on

Aerith is THE example for braided ponytail. That hairstyle is what the tag was created for.

As I mentioned in topic #27964, after inspecting some official arts, Aerith's hairstyle was always meant to be a twisted ponytail/rope braid, but many artists either mistakenly depicted it as a regular braid, or oversimplified it that you can't see any details.

KaGAYakuShiningGAYte said:

Dunno, the two are kind of different (though still not sure if the 2nd shouldn't be considered a braid).

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Interestingly enough, this tutorial I found just now to share the anecdote and the actual tutorial I found when I was younger both called the "incorrect" hairstyle a braid.

gfz said:

I have similar thoughts to kagayakushininggayte on this topic. I have always known the hairstyle in post #7542352 as a rope braid. I guess technically if it's made with less than three strands it's not a braid?

I'm glad there're people that know the difference.

I found out that we have twisted hair so I tried to clean it up so we can use it properly. I'm fine with calling it rope braid and even have it imply braid. I just want some sort of distinction because this is a different hairstyle and it's much more obscure. But it shouldn't imply braided ponytail because it's a type of braid, not a type of braid location, instead it should be used alongside other tags like crown braid, side braid, braided ponytail etc as a combination.

gfz said:

Also, this tag is a mess. A huge amount of it is just characters with loosely curled hair like post #7836717 and post #7812010, which should be wavy hair. Mixed in there are dreadlocks and micro twists which I guess are twisted but should probably have different tags: post #7824993. Plus 40% of the posts are from one guy: klavier gavin

This is being handled in topic #27964.

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