Many comics are non-web source or third-party source (e.g. from Mangadex). Does this mean we shouldn't upload these comics?
To be clear, I want to talk about uploading a small number of pages from comics, not the whole.
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Many comics are non-web source or third-party source (e.g. from Mangadex). Does this mean we shouldn't upload these comics?
To be clear, I want to talk about uploading a small number of pages from comics, not the whole.
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Please note hard-translated works are against the rules, most manga sites do not have raws so it would be prohibited content.
Commercially available manga is also against the upload rules.
zetsubousensei said:
Please note hard-translated works are against the rules, most manga sites do not have raws so it would be prohibited content.
Commercially available manga is also against the upload rules.
Hard-translated comics are not against the rules as long as they're in English. The very page you linked to lists it under borderline content. It's true we should upload the original whenever possible, but sometimes the hard-translated version is all that's available.
And that's a completely separate issue from commercial comics. I don't understand your argument about manga sites not having raws; it would be prohibited regardless of whether it was hard-translated or not.
LQ said:
Although multi-page doujinshi can be uploaded, it's still discouraged just because the site is not well-suited for viewing them. But comics that are all on one page work well.
What makes you think they're discouraged? Plenty of users upload them without issue. As long as you pool them properly, they're not difficult to read.
Blank_User said:
Hard-translated comics are not against the rules as long as they're in English. The very page you linked to lists it under borderline content. It's true we should upload the original whenever possible, but sometimes the hard-translated version is all that's available.
You're right, that's a mistaken conflation on my part, apologies.
And that's a completely separate issue from commercial comics. I don't understand your argument about manga sites not having raws; it would be prohibited regardless of whether it was hard-translated or not.
Plenty of doujin works and comics which are not commercial find their way onto those sites all the time it'd still be a source for those, again though since it'd be a hard translated work it'd be better to pull it from the artists original upload.
zetsubousensei said:
Plenty of doujin works and comics which are not commercial find their way onto those sites all the time it'd still be a source for those, again though since it'd be a hard translated work it'd be better to pull it from the artists original upload.
Okay, I see. If hard-translations were completely forbidden, then those sites would also be forbidden. It may not be correct, but the logic makes sense.
Since non-web source was brought up, I'll just point out that some of those could be scanned by the uploader themselves and there might not be any other source online, so those are still valid as long as they're doujins and not commercial publications. There's also game cg comics extracted from games. A lot of free-to-play mobile games feature comics in their loading screens, for example.
TKX said:
Well, uploading free comics (such as majority of stuff on Danbooru) is OK, but uploading these commercial comics like stuff found on Mangadex is basically an equivalent of piracy, so it's a big no-no.
Idk why that flew over your head.
There's plenty of piracy on Danbooru. Scanned doujinshi, ripped game CGs... Piracy by itself is not a no-no at all, much less a big one. Only things that have actually gotten the admins in real trouble before are forbidden. Basically, as long as you stick to the wiki's upload rules, you'll be fine.
TKX said:
Well, uploading free comics (such as majority of stuff on Danbooru) is OK, but uploading these commercial comics like stuff found on Mangadex is basically an equivalent of piracy, so it's a big no-no.
Idk why that flew over your head.
Because you can find many posts when searching comic non-web_source or source:*mangadex*, so I'm not sure whether I can also upload like that.
Not related to main post but something I wanted to mention. The thing about uploading whole comics here, unless you're a contributor or higher role, half the comic might not even make it because lets be real there's a lot of comics with boring pages that work for a comic but not as singular illustrations. Which is why I am not a fan of seeing people try to upload a 20 page comic when they don't have unrestricted posting.
Especially since if they upload it, and it doesn't survive an appeal, there will be perma deleted pages for comics.
Freshblink said:
Not related to main post but something I wanted to mention. The thing about uploading whole comics here, unless you're a contributor or higher role, half the comic might not even make it because lets be real there's a lot of comics with boring pages that work for a comic but not as singular illustrations. Which is why I am not a fan of seeing people try to upload a 20 page comic when they don't have unrestricted posting.
Especially since if they upload it, and it doesn't survive an appeal, there will be perma deleted pages for comics.
Nothing is "perma-deleted" and it can always be undeleted later. In addition, many approvers aprove comics as a whole, not on a per-image basis, so this is rarely a concern.
ANON_TOKYO said:
Nothing is "perma-deleted" and it can always be undeleted later. In addition, many approvers aprove comics as a whole, not on a per-image basis, so this is rarely a concern.
You can also still see deleted images when navigating a series pool page-by-page, so it wouldn't interrupt the flow of someone reading the comic.
Freshblink said:
Not related to main post but something I wanted to mention. The thing about uploading whole comics here, unless you're a contributor or higher role, half the comic might not even make it because lets be real there's a lot of comics with boring pages that work for a comic but not as singular illustrations. Which is why I am not a fan of seeing people try to upload a 20 page comic when they don't have unrestricted posting.
Especially since if they upload it, and it doesn't survive an appeal, there will be perma deleted pages for comics.
Sorry, actually I want to talk about uploading a small number of pages from comics.
tokukawa said:
Sorry, actually I want to talk about uploading a small number of pages from comics.
What Freshblink said is irrelevant to your original question. The important point is that, as per the upload rules, you cannot upload commercial comics, and cases where uploading hard-translated posts are allowed are few and far between. Since Mangadex basically specializes in hard-translated commercial comics, most of the stuff on there is off-limits. Sometimes there's an unmodified art-only page on there, in better quality than is available elsewhere, and other times it's the first- (or second-)party source for a comic in its original language, so in those cases it would be an acceptable source.
Image source doesn't matter per se, as long as it's correct and the image itself is not rulebreaking.