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Exhibit A: http://danbooru.donmai.us/user/show/9542
8 posts, 33 tag edits, Privileged
Exhibit B: http://danbooru.donmai.us/user/show/24056
483 posts, 906 tag edits, Member
My argument is self explanatory I think. Hardly fair it seems. I'm not trying to create a hostile thread here, just trying to point it out at least, maybe it has gone under the radar from the admins/mods.
PS: So who's the easiest mod to befriend around here?
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Exhibit A2: http://miezaru.donmai.us/user/show/13562
0 activity whatsoever, Privileged
Yeah, uh... way back when, all privileged users got invites, and this was the result. I think at the time the main point of getting privileged was just the ability to see non rating:safe posts.
Personally, I just sort of abandoned danbooru after the Great Crash, or whatever you want to call it, not realizing that it had been resurrected until early this year, so I'm missing out on a few of the details.
I appreciate the advocacy. Hopefully it doesn't hurt my odds of being invited at some point or another. I've noticed the Mods don't look too kindly upon being told who deserves an invite and who doesn't.
But yeah. From what I can tell, a lot of things on Danbooru are artifacts from over two years of evolution. Things change a lot. There are a lot of old posts that would never be approved now, and there are a lot of old members that would never be privileged now. The later is especially true because Priv. Users only recently lost the ability to invite others.
Sorry solomon, your account just came up as an example since you have so many posts. There's accounts that only have 100 or so and have been privileged recently so I very much didn't understand why an account like yours isn't.
I'm not making recommendations to the admins/mods on who should be invited but rather, I'm questioning their consistency. If the removal invites from privileged accounts is because of misuse, then it should be followed by fixing the accounts which were involved.
Danbooru came back about a year ago. At that time only people who albert never deactivated or knew an admin personally got accounts. Shortly after that safe posts were opened up and you needed to know an admin or someone who was invited by an admin personally still to get access to anything not marked safe. This system has since been abolished.
In essence, you're telling albert he should remove privileged status to people who the admins know personally or who know people who the admins know personally.
On my part, at least, I gave out my invites more or less thoughtlessly to IRC buddies mostly back when danbooru was only open to privileged members. I wouldn't mind being able to revoke my two 'zeros' - particularly the most recent one, who told me he had lots of stuff to post on Danbooru but didn't want to deal with the ads and mods. (Or maybe posting was privileged-members-only at that time, I don't remember. In either case, he doesn't look to have even touched the account, so he didn't hold up his end of the bargain.)
Being quite casually invited myself, I didn't anticipate that privileged membership would attain some sort of special merit-earned significance rather than just being a sort of 'VIP preview pass' until the site reopened to the public, or I'd have been less freewheeling with mine.
Log said:
In essence, you're telling albert he should remove privileged status to people who the admins know personally or who know people who the admins know personally.
Well if you check here:
0xCCBA696 said:
Exhibit A2: http://miezaru.donmai.us/user/show/13562
0 activity whatsoever, Privileged
There's a big trail of people that invited each other then invited their friends who have 0 contribution. Are they all friends of the admins?
Jermy said: My argument is self explanatory I think.
And old, and dealt with a dozen times before.
Invites can be both merit AND friends. Most of the latter are back from the time when you needed an invite to access the site whatsoever. You can't apply the same standards as now, when access works very differently.
And also look at what you seem to have missed with solomon: lots of deletions. Even if someone has a lot of approved posts, I always hesitate to invite with numerous deletions, because that says that if invited (and thus bypassing the mod filter), a decent chunk of their stuff wouldn't be wanted. That's a major hurdle.
jxh2154 said:
And also look at what you seem to have missed with solomon: lots of deletions. Even if someone has a lot of approved posts, I always hesitate to invite with numerous deletions, because that says that if invited (and thus bypassing the mod filter), a decent chunk of their stuff wouldn't be wanted. That's a major hurdle.
That's 80 deleted posts out of 480, that still leaves 400 quality mod approved posts. Still a lot more than some other privileged accounts have...
and then out of those 80 deleted posts, all of them were deleted because they weren't approved in 3 days (some were even favorited by several users from the looking at the ones I clicked on).
I still don't think it's fair that users who decide to idle in IRC and chatting every now and again, get priority to invites over those who upload and contribute frequently.
That's one deletion in every 6 posts, which is to say, if they'd go unmoderated you'd have a whole load of backwork piled up for the mods after a while, having to potentially weed through a bunch of already-approved-posts to look for bad ones, which I'd gather was jxh's point - the signal:noise ratio and not the pure quantity.
0xCCBA696 said:
Yeah, uh... way back when, all privileged users got invites, and this was the result. I think at the time the main point of getting privileged was just the ability to see non rating:safe posts.
Well, this - back then that was the only way to have any sort of access to the site at all (as in be able to view any posts), though safe posts were made public pretty soon after. Personally I got invited by somebody who in turn was invited by a mod, so yes, there are lot's of "friend of a friend" -type invites from back in the day.
Which is to say, if there's any criticism you want to throw at people recieving invites, you should probably also take a look at their join date, since things just worked in a different manner back then.
Well, it looks as if I'm screwed at this point anyway, so I'll add into this. I was trying to keep my head low, but I don't think it's going to help anymore.
jxh2154 said:
And also look at what you seem to have missed with solomon: lots of deletions. Even if someone has a lot of approved posts, I always hesitate to invite with numerous deletions, because that says that if invited (and thus bypassing the mod filter), a decent chunk of their stuff wouldn't be wanted. That's a major hurdle.
This is not a fair assessment. The current moderation process is, quite franky, far too arbitrary to make that judgement upon my posts as a whole. In essence, my ability to post and my "signal:noise" ratio, as Muey puts it, is decided based on my ability to read the minds of the moderation team.
Which, in theory, is exactly how it SHOULD be. The mods are here to make sure that everything posted is quality content that holds up to the standards of Danbooru. I should essentially be striving to have the same mindset in posting as the mods do in pruning.
But god damn man. The whims of the mods are a fucking enigma to me at times.
When you're working at the peon level, you get 16 posts a day. Let's say you stumble onto a new website for a Japanese artist that hasn't been uploaded to Danbooru yet. The art looks good. You take the RISK of introducing something new here and go ahead and upload your allotted 16. Then you come back a day later: Congrats! Your 16 posts of that new artist have been accepted! So you go back to the same website and upload another 16 pictures; same quality, same artist, same general subject matter. Then 3 days click by and they disappear forever, and you're suddenly 16 posts closer to looking like a shitty poster with no real way of knowing why. Did the mod that liked your original posts take the week off? Did the team decide it was too much of a good thing? Either way, your signal:noise ratio is officially 1:1 now.
The above has happened to me a couple times. It's also happened when I've been approved for the first 16 posts of a CG set, assumed that meant that it was up to Danbooru standards, and uploaded the rest, only to get slammed with 30 unapproved posts into my graveyard.
I just have an incredibly hard time believing that
Muey said:
if they'd go unmoderated you'd have a whole load of backwork piled up for the mods after a while, having to potentially weed through a bunch of already-approved-posts to look for bad ones
is true at all. I'm 99% sure that a lot of those unapproved posts I mentioned above would never catch the eye of mods as needing deletion. The standard is just different when it comes to normal Members. Flip through the list of members by Post some time.
http://danbooru.donmai.us/user?commit=Search&level=20&name=&order=posts&page=1
It's essentially hit or miss. Some users have no grasp of what deserves to be on Danbooru, and these are the people that end up with flagged accounts or end up losing their Privileged status. For the average user though, it seems to be a whole lot of luck, and a whole lot of throwing posts at the wall until something sticks. Sometimes a lot of really bad posts are made that shouldn't get approved. Sometimes some good posts are made that don't get approved regardless. That just seems to be how it goes.
tl;dr, I'm going to be a Member forever now, so I might as well start sorting my folders in 16 post batches. :D
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What you're talking about, upping 30 pics from one website, upping full cg sets, are probably the things you shouldn't do while you're a member. By only upping from one source or one style, you're betting all your day's posts that one artist's works will be accepted.
I don't know if moderation has significantly changed since I first joined, but I think the best way to go about things is to up from a variety of artists/styles. That way if one gets rejected, you have others to fall back on. Also, it makes you look like you've got more to offer than just one type of thing.
sriblanka02 said:
What you're talking about, upping 30 pics from one website, upping full cg sets, are probably the things you shouldn't do while you're a member. By only upping from one source or one style, you're betting all your day's posts that one artist's works will be accepted.I don't know if moderation has significantly changed since I first joined, but I think the best way to go about things is to up from a variety of artists/styles. That way if one gets rejected, you have others to fall back on. Also, it makes you look like you've got more to offer than just one type of thing.
Which is why I tested the waters by posting a portion of it first. That portion was always approved. I post the rest, and it's unapproved. The odds should have been on my side, but I played them and I lost. And now I have posts on the forums talking about how I shouldn't be invited. Losing the bet is apparently worse than I thought. :P
Honestly, posting a wide variety of different things isn't easy to do anymore when Danbooru is over 210k posts. The variety is already wide enough that if you're looking for new original content, you either have to beat some other member to the new post on an artist's blog, or you have to stumble upon something that hasn't been posted whatsoever. The former is exceedingly difficult, the later happens so seldom that the best way to generate posts is to risk uploading a fair amount of it.
You need to stop thinking quantity and think of quality. You can still post casually and be invited eventually. There are a lot of criteria for the mods to base on besides the number of deletions you had. There's also the average score of your posts and how long you are able to keep your consecutive posts approved. I usually look for latest posts from a member then backtrack on the last time his/her posts until the last time his or her post was deleted. If he/she has been posting a series of approved posts fo a long time, it's a good sign to invite that person since they seem to have gotten the hang of things.
Also, you're not blacklisted from being invited. Chill the fuck out.
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Haha, solomon, I feel your pain. Honestly, being a regular member does suck, quite a bit. I wouldn't even try to post anything more ambitious than a few exceptional images here and there, build up a "quality over quantity" reputation, etc. Another good way to catch mod eyes is to post (useful!) comments, add translation notes if you are able, participate (fruitfully!) in discussions on the forum, etc. It's not all about the posts (which, woefully, fly by like the solar wind these days what with the huge throughput we see).
Also note that this is a thread about why you ARE invite material, silly.
