@Fujishiro Art style doesn’t justify bad anatomy.

ceres said:
Art style doesn’t justify bad anatomy (except for chibi).

@ceres

Sure it does. If it is an artists take on how they want to perceive a human body they can draw it however they want. It's clear here that the artist was not going for a realistic style, so it's more than acceptable. The quality of the piece in and of itself is perfectly fine, albeit a little old fashioned when it comes to taste. Regardless, definitely not worth deleting just because people are too used to what qualifies as, "standard" these days.

I should also mention, if people look at posts or images like these in general and instantly think, "wow that is a messed up body" there is a bigger issue at hand than just their taste and misunderstanding of art in general. If we were to flag this for only the sake of anatomy, then we should also flag every character that has horns, rabbit tails, wings, etc. because they too are not anatomically correct. If you were to argue that they belong because it's fantasy, then you're just agreeing with my reason for why this is acceptable. Fantasy is just an artists interpretation of what we know as reality. In example, this picture the artist clearly has some interesting ideas about the female body, but nothing worth shaming over. Seriously though, if you look at this image and don't think it fits in on an website dedicated to art of all variety then you should really take a look at what you're trying to accomplish here. There's a very distinct line between, "bad anatomy" and "bad drawings." This is not the latter. Hope this makes sense to you and maybe lightens up your view on what is or should not be acceptable.

Agree with Fujishiro. Plenty of mainstream artist have "Questionable" body anatomy but when you look at their manga, you will see it's entirely the art style and it's has continued continuity for their whole series.

Series i can think of that are not "Pretty" or have weird body parts would be One Piece, Sayonara Zetsubu sensei and basically anything by Clamp.

in Sayonara Zetsubu sensei, the characters have uncharastically huge feet and hands.

in Clamp, basically everyone looks like a twig and are totally aneroxic.

and in One Piece, the body measurements are all over the place even if we ignore the alien or monster characters and only look at humans.

On the other hand, if you want "Realistic" anime bodies, look no further than the gundam series which is a more serious tone. A lot of slice of life shows also have realistic bodies as long as it's not chibi style.

Fujishiro said:

@ceres

Sure it does. If it is an artists take on how they want to perceive a human body they can draw it however they want. It's clear here that the artist was not going for a realistic style, so it's more than acceptable. The quality of the piece in and of itself is perfectly fine, albeit a little old fashioned when it comes to taste. Regardless, definitely not worth deleting just because people are too used to what qualifies as, "standard" these days.

I should also mention, if people look at posts or images like these in general and instantly think, "wow that is a messed up body" there is a bigger issue at hand than just their taste and misunderstanding of art in general. If we were to flag this for only the sake of anatomy, then we should also flag every character that has horns, rabbit tails, wings, etc. because they too are not anatomically correct. If you were to argue that they belong because it's fantasy, then you're just agreeing with my reason for why this is acceptable. Fantasy is just an artists interpretation of what we know as reality. In example, this picture the artist clearly has some interesting ideas about the female body, but nothing worth shaming over. Seriously though, if you look at this image and don't think it fits in on an website dedicated to art of all variety then you should really take a look at what you're trying to accomplish here. There's a very distinct line between, "bad anatomy" and "bad drawings." This is not the latter. Hope this makes sense to you and maybe lightens up your view on what is or should not be acceptable.

The crux is that the artist already has deleted art that is extremely similar to this and that flagging is still abslutely subjective. If it is not then the wiki should be rewritten.
Some would call it artistic style, however if you go by this then every overexaggerated body proportion would be fitting and even the inflation fetish should be absolutely allowed the. What I'm trying to say it that artistic style is all nice and fine, but the image per so should still make sense. I even have qualms seeing it with clamp.
I also wouldn't say that stuff like post #86121 should definitely fall under artistic merit, either. Anime is all about exaggeration, that is clear, however one should still make the connection between anatomical correctness (no image is perfect btw) and artistic intention.
I feel like the former is mostly ignored and I can see the reason why since art is free and everyone shuld draw whatever they like. I still say that cutesexyrobutts, a very controversial artist, draws very well, but I mostly don't see a place for them on Danbooru because they overexaggerate the already existing exaggeration in anime-related art (although they also have a rather western style sometimes). Their art isn't bad per se.
Now, I don't challenge you approval with that, but there mostly is a reason why overexaggerated stuff, even if it's within the "artist's style". Artistic merit should never be the first reason why to approve a certain image (take the artist tag away and you're lost and new artists with new styles that aren't very well established tend to get ignored more with that reason.
What I'm trying to say is that the excuse "artist's style" is relatively pointless. Everything should then be approved (except maybe blatant third-party edits), but everyone has their sense of what perspective, anatomy may look like in their image even if it looks messed up. If that's the only component (shouldn't be ignored, but also shouldn't take the highes priority at least on Danbooru). then I feel like we'd water down approvals and deletions.
In the end, I wouldn't make a fuss about a re-approved flag or deletion about such an image that, no doubt about it, is driven by artistic style, but I'm in favor of at least checking them at least once in the mod queue (like I did with two images of that set). Not every flag is of malicious nature (as assumed most of the time), but simply a question to check back older art (but one shouldn't make comments saying that the approver was wrong).

Fujishiro said:
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I don't particularly agree on the case of this post because it's not really my cup of tea, but you are pretty much spot on on the general issue with these flags.

Flagging for "bad anatomy" posts that are already unrealistic in the first point like this one is ridiculous. I know this argument sounds a bit like "It's supposed to be bad!", but this is more of a flagger's issue with a certain artstyle than actual "objective" faults with the image, and that doesn't really justify the deletion of a post.

Talking about the artist's style makes sense when the artist has a knowledge of anatomy rules and is deliberately changing them in a way that is aesthetically pleasing, but that argument falls apart when the artist is clearly compensating for a lack of knowledge. It's almost completely unquestioned when anime characters have oversized eyes, for instance, but we notice when they start randomly changing size and floating around all over their faces from shot to shot.

I think this image is both stylized and flawed. Certainly the artist was conscious of drawing pencil-thin waists and oddly-shaped heads, but it's harder to argue that he intentionally drew her forearms at two different lengths and her chest pointing at a different angle than the rest of her torso.

Fujishiro said:

I should also mention, if people look at posts or images like these in general and instantly think, "wow that is a messed up body" there is a bigger issue at hand than just their taste and misunderstanding of art in general. If we were to flag this for only the sake of anatomy, then we should also flag every character that has horns, rabbit tails, wings, etc. because they too are not anatomically correct. If you were to argue that they belong because it's fantasy, then you're just agreeing with my reason for why this is acceptable.

This is just a giant straw man argument. If someone looks at an artwork with the context of it being in an “anime artstyle”, then I think it is all the more reason for it to not be accepted on danbooru.
I think(?) your argument here is “Anime isn’t real, so you can’t judge the quality of anime-style illustrations under the lens of realism.” I’m being somewhat satirical here, but the point of the deletion system is so that mediocre-quality art doesn’t crop up in searches. If all anime images can be justified by your reasoning, then why not reserve status:deleted just for comic pages and off topic images?
Basically, what I want to say is that everything related to determining which posts stay and which posts don’t is all subjective. What looks off topic to one person might look perfectly at home on an anime image board to another person. Some may think that this artwork is fine, while others may have a large number of qualms regarding the anatomy in this picture.

The post is over 6 years old. Are you guys crazy?

homeless_homo said:

The post is over 6 years old. Are you guys crazy?

And so you're bumping a post and argument just to say not to keep an argument going? There's a "No bump" button just to the right of the "Submit" button, you know?

homeless_homo said:

The post is over 6 years old. Are you guys crazy?

Are you saying old posts are immune to flagging?

Hint: They aren't.