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  • ID: 1468574
  • Uploader: Altered »
  • Date: almost 12 years ago
  • Size: 337 KB .jpg (1200x600) »
  • Source: pixiv.net/artworks/37232870 »
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princess zelda, ganondorf, and toon zelda (the legend of zelda and 1 more) drawn by kuruuya
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    Diabolicwave
    almost 12 years ago
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    So is this what they did after Princess Zelda got kidnapped in Wind Waker?

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    Cross Counter
    over 3 years ago
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    Diabolicwave said:

    So is this what they did after Princess Zelda got kidnapped in Wind Waker?

    Probably, WW ganondorf wasn't really that evil, he just wanted hyrule back.

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    Kaktus Lata
    over 3 years ago
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    Cross_Counter said:

    Probably, WW ganondorf wasn't really that evil, he just wanted hyrule back.

    Was I the only one who saw that Ganondorf in WW was full of shit? His whole "I just wanted to help my people ;_;" schtick rang pretty hollow. He got all the power he could want in OoT, and what did he do with it? Did he help the Gerudo? Nope, didn't do a thing for them. He was too busy trying to kill all of the Gorons. And freezing the Zoras. And trying to kill the Kokiri with an army of monsters.

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    Steak
    over 3 years ago
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    Not to mention that the Gerudo are a parasitic race. They can only exist in the shadow of the Hylians. This is their nature, it is a precarious position.

    Consider; the only men around for the Gerudo to mate with are the Hylians. If they commit to a loving long-term relationship...they are condemning both peoples. In order for the Hylians to prosper, a Hylian man must be with a Hylian woman. That's why the Gerudo have to sneak around and seduce as the opportunity presents itself. To at once be so close yet have to remain detached and distant, and to enthrall with the risk of being enthralled.

    A real love/hate relationship born out of a necessity.

    It's a distressing state of affairs. Something Ganondorf tried to overcome by force. While possibly seeking some kind of revenge on the father he never knew.

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    NWSiaCB
    over 3 years ago
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    Steak said:

    Not to mention that the Gerudo are a parasitic race. They can only exist in the shadow of the Hylians. This is their nature, it is a precarious position.

    Consider; the only men around for the Gerudo to mate with are the Hylians. If they commit to a loving long-term relationship...they are condemning both peoples. In order for the Hylians to prosper, a Hylian man must be with a Hylian woman. That's why the Gerudo have to sneak around and seduce as the opportunity presents itself. To at once be so close yet have to remain detached and distant, and to enthrall with the risk of being enthralled.

    A real love/hate relationship born out of a necessity.

    It's a distressing state of affairs. Something Ganondorf tried to overcome by force. While possibly seeking some kind of revenge on the father he never knew.

    That presumes that Hylians are only capable of having just enough children to maintain the population levels before anyone goes to marry a Gerudo. Modern populations have far less children than medieval peoples did, medieval mothers could produce like 10 children, and unlike now, where you have to save up to pay for getting your kids through college, then, kids were cheap labor. What stopped them from having a population explosion was rampant disease and the fact that farms were cut up between inheriting sons to the point that farms could barely feed their farmers, and as much as 90% of the population were farmers. A small sliver could be priests or craftsman, but mostly anyone going above that sustainable cap just had to go out and become a bandit or a soldier who cut down the bandits or other soldiers, which kept the population down. (And in Hyrule, it's much less of a problem since monster attacks are likely to wipe out villages and excess population can just try to reclaim destroyed villages.) Having a few males pulled out of a medieval setting's breeding pool wouldn't lead to some sort of inevitable decline, and Gerudo are clearly a minority in Hyrule.

    Updated by NWSiaCB over 3 years ago

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    Steak
    over 3 years ago
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    NWSiaCB said:

    Having a few males pulled out of a medieval setting's breeding pool wouldn't lead to some sort of inevitable decline, and Gerudo are clearly a minority in Hyrule.

    And now you're treating men like they're breeding stock. Hylians are born at a 1-1 ratio for males and females. Every deprived male is a female without a mate. The Gerudo are naturally disposed to stealing men from the Hylian women. What they gain, the Hylians lose in a very direct and obvious way.

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    Sigfried666
    over 3 years ago
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    Steak said:
    Hylians are born at a 1-1 ratio for males and females.

    What does this even mean and where is source for such data?

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    Steak
    over 3 years ago
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    Sigfried666 said:

    What does this even mean and where is source for such data?

    It means for every man born, there's a woman born. It's implicit due to Hylians basically being humans. Unless indicated to the contrary, like in the case of the Gerudo who only have female children or the Goron who only have males.

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    NWSiaCB
    over 3 years ago
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    Steak said:

    And now you're treating men like they're breeding stock. Hylians are born at a 1-1 ratio for males and females. Every deprived male is a female without a mate. The Gerudo are naturally disposed to stealing men from the Hylian women. What they gain, the Hylians lose in a very direct and obvious way.

    The ratio of men and women are never exactly 1:1, since for a start, it's not exactly 50% odds of either gender, and secondly, even if law of averages tends towards close numbers of overall population, there's never going to be exact ratios of men to women in every village in every generation. People die before they get married. In medieval-style cultures, women often die in childbirth and the widower man will almost certainly remarry a younger woman, but middle-aged widows do not remarry, which leaves a lot of unmarried younger men with fewer options. (This is actually a tremendous problem in Muslim countries, where women will tend towards marrying wealthier, more stable older men who already have several wives because it's better to be ignored as a fourth wife than watch your child starve as the only wife of a poor young man. The younger men are left without any options, leading to a huge demand for prostitutes to fill the void, even in a country where kissing your spouse in public is a jailable offense, or in the medieval era, the slave trade to bring in more women.)

    In a sense, Gerudo are the release valve for that sort of thing.

    Oh, right, and then there's the simple fact that even if those things weren't the case, not everyone neatly pairs off into a life-long marriage to have exactly 2 children, one boy and one girl. Not everyone gets married even when people are available.

    And besides... Just look at the games, and how there's always like 4 women who clearly fall in love with Link, but nope, destiny determined he was going to go with Zelda even if she never did anything but sit in a tower eating cake the whole damn game. Because anime law says any major female character has to fall in love with protag-kun and never even consider the possibility that they could ever find another man, any woman who doesn't join the harem is doomed to a lonely life of being jealous of the official couple to the grave... I guess Link being a protag is "upsetting the gender ratio" too then, right?

    Updated by NWSiaCB over 3 years ago

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    blindVigil
    over 3 years ago
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    Steak said:

    It means for every man born, there's a woman born. It's implicit due to Hylians basically being humans. Unless indicated to the contrary, like in the case of the Gerudo who only have female children or the Goron who only have males.

    Where are you even getting this? That's not how genetics work, humans don't work that way. Two couples that each have one child aren't guaranteed to have one boy and one girl, nor is a single couple that has two children guaranteed to have one boy and one girl.

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    Smuthunter
    over 3 years ago
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    Kaktus_Lata said:

    Was I the only one who saw that Ganondorf in WW was full of shit? His whole "I just wanted to help my people ;_;" schtick rang pretty hollow. He got all the power he could want in OoT, and what did he do with it? Did he help the Gerudo? Nope, didn't do a thing for them. He was too busy trying to kill all of the Gorons. And freezing the Zoras. And trying to kill the Kokiri with an army of monsters.

    I like Ganondorf better when he's a bit more nuanced than a generic evil demon king, so I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Besides, it's very common for villains in all kinds of stories to covet power for good reasons only to lose sight of those reasons because they grew too obsessed with power. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.

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    Steak
    over 3 years ago
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    blindVigil said:

    Where are you even getting this? That's not how genetics work, humans don't work that way. Two couples that each have one child aren't guaranteed to have one boy and one girl, nor is a single couple that has two children guaranteed to have one boy and one girl.

    We're not talking about one man and one woman. We're talking about a population of them. Per the law of averages, things will become more even, the larger the sample size.

    Case in point, I believe the current global population is 48/52% male/female respectively. Accounting for things like life-expectancy (women live longer), that's just about right. It's more than reasonable to say for every man there is a woman.

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    over 3 years ago
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    Steak said:

    We're not talking about one man and one woman. We're talking about a population of them. Per the law of averages, things will become more even, the larger the sample size.

    Case in point, I believe the current global population is 48/52% male/female respectively. Accounting for things like life-expectancy (women live longer), that's just about right. It's more than reasonable to say for every man there is a woman.

    Not only is that BS for so many reasons, it still in no way supports your asinine "Gerudo women taking Hylian husbands hinders Hylian prosperity" idea. It assumes so many logical fallacies.

    1. "Every man and woman will inevitably pair up with a member of the opposite sex exactly once." You know, except for divorce, widowing, remarrying, homosexuality, cheating, polygamy, asexuality, ect.
    2. "Gender ratio imbalance will never occur." I don't even need to explain this one.
    3. "There's some kind of offspring limit per couple." You realize that if there was somehow actually some sort of Hylian population crisis caused by Hylian/Gerudo mating, the Hylians could just... have more kids, right?

    Those are just the first few that immediately came to mind. In no scenario does your idea work unless the Gerudo are taking all of the men. Considering how much smaller their population is in every game compared to the Hylians, that's extremely unlikely unless they experience some extreme growth, and/or Hylians get nearly wiped out.

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