Just throw that glasses already.....

Don't forget Musashi is a shota hunter too. Run while you still can, shota admiral!

Maya doesn't like the new admiral. It's sad how she can't let him go even after he got court martial-ed.

Just destroy the fukking glasses will ya? ;D

maybe he'll make a harem, like a proper shota admiral

so Shoukaku was actually a slut all along? and the those reason like "to protect her sister and all" were a lie?

also... where the good ending for Maya? WHERE IS IT?!

This series was quite fun... in a twisted sort of a way.

Ikazuchi00 said:

so Shoukaku was actually a slut all along? and the those reason like "to protect her sister and all" were a lie?

also... where the good ending for Maya? WHERE IS IT?!

Maybe Shoukaku was already broken at some point

Ikazuchi00 said:

so Shoukaku was actually a slut all along? and the those reason like "to protect her sister and all" were a lie?

Considering the story overall, lolno. This is the same story where Lebe and Max went from virgins to 20+ sexual partners, EACH, in the first month.

Ikazuchi00 said:

so Shoukaku was actually a slut all along? and the those reason like "to protect her sister and all" were a lie?

also... where the good ending for Maya? WHERE IS IT?!

Yes, she's been a 2-faced liar all this time. The same as Kaga.
Infact, I think all the carriers in this base are all liars and hypocrites.

Also, why should Maya get a good end? What about the others? What makes her so special that she should get anything?

I'm curious on where it will go from here. It'd be amazing if the admiral revealed the truth about the glasses or made any of the shipgirls where 'em to see how they would react.

I hope this Admiral takes a better path than the previous one... sigh...

You know, this admiral still doesn't know exactly what these glasses do yet, that letter was pretty vague.

He also never looked at a mirror, so we don't even know if he is a virgin or not.

Scholastica said:

You know, this admiral still doesn't know exactly what these glasses do yet, that letter was pretty vague.

He also never looked at a mirror, so we don't even know if he is a virgin or not.

The glasses when looking through them says sexual partner and the number. Unless he's only 12 or something, there is no way he don't know what sexual partner means. Hell, even most 12 year old know what that word mean.

here we go again....

bombermania said:

Maya doesn't like the new admiral.

Could just be her default face

"Please note that, as I am partial to Shoukaku-san's wifeyness, she frequently appears."

So am I Masara... So am I...

I'm very proud of you, Shoukaku. You finally Graduated.

Scholastica said:
You know, this admiral still doesn't know exactly what these glasses do yet, that letter was pretty vague.

To be entirely fair, it doesn't matter what the glasses do, at least beyond personal space issues; the attitude of the person who has put them on that is what matters.

This was quite possibly the first KanColle comic I ever read (which is strange, because I'm not a huge fan of this guy's other work), and I actually feel like I wouldn't like the setting nearly as much if this hadn't been my first impression. I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but underneath all of the sexual humor this comic consistently put forth an idea that these girls have lives of their own that don't revolve around the admiral. The way KanColle is set up naturally lends itself to the harem setting where you have one central guy who serves as a self-insert and a flock of girls who are wholly dedicated to him, but this comic went out of its way to openly defy that setup, and in the process made a cast that functions far better as believable people. And then you have the admiral, who clearly signed up for the "harem" setup and expects the shipgirls to be basically his property. He objectifies them, and this is his undoing as he's consistently thrown for a loop when the people around him turn out to actually be people. I love it.

The author of "this" probably got rejected or friendzoned and started depicting every single female as a slut.
And the humor is for 14 year old kids, who laugh at words such as "piss", "vagina", "dick" and stuff like that.

Kerisato said:

The author of "this" probably got rejected or friendzoned and started depicting every single female as a slut.
And the humor is for 14 year old kids, who laugh at words such as "piss", "vagina", "dick" and stuff like that.

Well, the joke gets old.

And the parts where the author looks like he's trying too hard to "provoke the readers emotionally" is giving reverse effect of losing interest to try empathizing with any of the characters.

Keo said:

Yes, she's been a 2-faced liar all this time. The same as Kaga.
Infact, I think all the carriers in this base are all liars and hypocrites.

Also, why should Maya get a good end? What about the others? What makes her so special that she should get anything?

I don't really know why you sound so annoyed at the girls here. 2 can't be a big enough example pool for a conclusion. But anyways, I guess I'll answer some of your questions.

1. Why does Maya deserve a good end. A: she was shown as actually has something for Kon Yuuji while getting nothing back aside from being treated like nothing and scrapped because she went through the experience with 2 men. That, is why most people would think she's a poor little girl that deserves happiness.

2. The others. A: they are mostly girls who have a will for all of their experience number. Some, like Kongou, Haruna even look forward to increase that number. People would hate that lust. Thus, they would skip the small number of innocents and think nothing of them too because they are not "poor little girl"s.

3. What makes Maya so special. A: like I stated above, that make Maya gets wished for that "anything". I myself want Maya to be happy too. Because well, her depression. I don't like that. And that's all I need for a reason.

The glasses when looking through them says sexual partner and the number. Unless he's only 12 or something, there is no way he don't know what sexual partner means. Hell, even most 12 year old know what that word mean.

The word is literally:"Number of people have gone through the experience with", yeah, 4 kanjis but that long in literal.

And let's take me for an example, I didn't even know what "virginity" was until 9th grade. Before that, I read 1 novel that has an almost sex scene but didn't realize it, and a short story about rape but also, didn't realize it. Then my cousin, she's literally an "En-chan" which is a word for a girl who doesn't know anything that implicate sex. I had to talk to her quite a bit so that she'd understand what those were. And I kind of ended up explaining about how sex works too, of course, using a biology text book, nothing physical. All that happened in her 8th grade, which is 3 years ago.

Just saying for you to see, there are people who are at the age people would think to have known or experience at sex but doesn't know anything about it at all.

Tried to state it in a 3rd view point. Think of it how you want.

Keo said:

Yes, she's been a 2-faced liar all this time. The same as Kaga.
Infact, I think all the carriers in this base are all liars and hypocrites.

Also, why should Maya get a good end? What about the others? What makes her so special that she should get anything?

Well, there's a lot to unpack, there, as always...

1. Shoukaku was a character who was depicted pretty explicitly as having been abused sexually, but that doesn't necessarily mean she can't have a sexual nature of her own. It's Masara's way to depict any female interest in sex that way, so I'd chalk up that to just poor drawing and a glib response to the psychologically damaging nature of rape to the author, himself.

2. What events led up to Kaga's number are unknown. She could well have had some opinion of premarital sex that was changed in the intervening time. Maybe she was pressured into sex, which seems rather common in this world. Or maybe she was just telling the admiral what he wanted to hear because he clearly wasn't about to listen to any other argument, in which case at least a decent part of the blame is on the admiral, as well, for creating the dysfunctional environment in the base.

To be honest, however, how is Kaga's actions here really all that different from her normal tsundereness? She was pretty much explicitly insulting the 5th carrier division for doing something she wound up doing, herself... which is kind of what Kaga does all the time, and is the basis of the whole ZuiKaga thing.

This only becomes such the grave sin because sex was somehow involved.

3. Why does someone wishing Maya get a good end mean they wouldn't wish anyone else get one, too? The pathologically jealous and spiteful admiral was ruining the lives of several shipgirls, including the likes of Fubuki, but Fubuki, at least, seems like it's fairly safe to assume she can get a happy ending on her own.

People most expressly hope for Maya's happy ending because she's the one that is currently heading towards the least likely good outcome, and for that matter, behaved in the most consistently sympathetic and "virtuous" (if such a thing exists in Masara's world) manner, outside of maybe Kongou (who got in a few heroic moments).

Rather, the problem here seems to be how you seem to be exactly the sort of person this doujin was meant to mock. The shitty admiral was consistently making the worst possible choices, and yet you consistently posted in to excuse and sympathize with everything he did. Everything a woman did or didn't do in this doujin, however, invariably resulted in your hatred and rejection of them.

Where's your praise for Kongou?

Kongou had a stated principle of wanting to have fun having sex with a large number of guys, and also to try to win over their hearts in a manner not atypical of how harem game protagonists tend to operate, and she lived that lifestyle without looking back. She lived by her principles of having fun and loving freely, and had several moments of going out of her way to help others live by those principles she lived by. If it's admirable to live by one's principles, even if those principles may not be right, as has been said in justification of the admiral several times, where's the praise for Kongou?

Why is it that the admiral's hypocrisies are overlooked? He talks about caring about his shipgirls, but he's willing to scrap them indiscriminately for failing to live up to his own arbitrary principles, even when they DO live up to them, as he scrapped the girls (like Fubuki) who were committed to a single guy. The pattern of your comments makes it clear it's simply because he's male, and therefore you sympathize with him more. In fact, you don't even acknowledge what the admiral did as hypocrisy, as that's an insult used only on those you didn't sympathize with. (That is, it's pretty clear you don't hate women because they're hypocrites, you call women hypocrites because you already hate women.)

When people are trying to defend what the admiral did, they keep saying that, "he may have a stupid principle, but he's standing by his principles, even when he knows they are wrong, and that's admirable!" No, it absolutely isn't, and that's kind of the only "moral of the story" that can really be drawn from this whole thing, if there is one at all. If I said I had a principle of hating black people and murdering them whenever I saw them, even though I knew it made me a racist serial killer, that wouldn't make me noble, that would just make me a STUBBORN racist serial killer.

Being stubbornly wrong even when you realize how wrong you are isn't a virtue, it's another sin.

NWSiaCB said:
Where's your praise for Kongou?

I actually have nothing against Kongou. Infact, I like how honest and straight forward she is to sex. She's not hiding anything and is just fun loving.

NWSiaCB said:

Why is it that the admiral's hypocrisies are overlooked? He talks about caring about his shipgirls, but he's willing to scrap them indiscriminately for failing to live up to his own arbitrary principles, even when they DO live up to them, as he scrapped the girls (like Fubuki) who were committed to a single guy. The pattern of your comments makes it clear it's simply because he's male, and therefore you sympathize with him more. In fact, you don't even acknowledge what the admiral did as hypocrisy, as that's an insult used only on those you didn't sympathize with.

I'm not overlooking his action. I think what he did was childish and stupid, which makes it all the more sad. It was like his last ditch effort to fuck it all yet it still fails. That's what makes it sad.
He basically got nothing left that he could do and even got bit in the ass hard for it, having to go to martial court despite the fact that all those ship-girls came back fine as if nothing happened. It makes me feel sorry for him cause in the end he still get nothing, despite all his previous work in the base.

Also, I'm not sympathizing with him just because he's a male, although it helps because male-male. I felt sorry for some of the other ones like Seaport and even Jintsuu, as well as others who met with unfortunate circumstances. Crane I hate more than anything because she's a lying piece of shit who still won't admit that she's now doing it for her own benefit rather than for turkey. Also, her face piss me off for some reason I can not explain.

What I feel sorry for are those that are on the bottom, being stepped on constantly...except for Maya because even those that get stepped on need someone else to step on too.

I feel sorry for the admiral because no one else is going to. He might not be a good person after pulling off some dumbshit stunt like that, but he is nowhere close to some of the even worse people that people are hating him for. To me he's a foolish boy who was exposed to the truth of the world yet still refuse to accept it, still trying to cling on to what little joy he thought he had before he got those glasses.
It was stupid, it was sad.

NWSiaCB said:
That is, it's pretty clear you don't hate women because they're hypocrites, you call women hypocrites because you already hate women.

Making alooooot of assumption here, buddy. I've only mentioned the carriers because Kaga and slut crane are all god damn two-faced liars, and I just don't like them. I never said I hate women. Although I'll probably stop here before I get killed by a bunch feminists or something, interpreting what I said as more hate on women.

I really enjoyed this series. Darkly comedic and thought provoking.

NWSiaCB said:

Well, there's a lot to unpack, there, as always...

1. Shoukaku was a character who was depicted pretty explicitly as having been abused sexually, but that doesn't necessarily mean she can't have a sexual nature of her own. It's Masara's way to depict any female interest in sex that way, so I'd chalk up that to just poor drawing and a glib response to the psychologically damaging nature of rape to the author, himself.

2. What events led up to Kaga's number are unknown. She could well have had some opinion of premarital sex that was changed in the intervening time. Maybe she was pressured into sex, which seems rather common in this world. Or maybe she was just telling the admiral what he wanted to hear because he clearly wasn't about to listen to any other argument, in which case at least a decent part of the blame is on the admiral, as well, for creating the dysfunctional environment in the base.

To be honest, however, how is Kaga's actions here really all that different from her normal tsundereness? She was pretty much explicitly insulting the 5th carrier division for doing something she wound up doing, herself... which is kind of what Kaga does all the time, and is the basis of the whole ZuiKaga thing.

This only becomes such the grave sin because sex was somehow involved.

3. Why does someone wishing Maya get a good end mean they wouldn't wish anyone else get one, too? The pathologically jealous and spiteful admiral was ruining the lives of several shipgirls, including the likes of Fubuki, but Fubuki, at least, seems like it's fairly safe to assume she can get a happy ending on her own.

People most expressly hope for Maya's happy ending because she's the one that is currently heading towards the least likely good outcome, and for that matter, behaved in the most consistently sympathetic and "virtuous" (if such a thing exists in Masara's world) manner, outside of maybe Kongou (who got in a few heroic moments).

Rather, the problem here seems to be how you seem to be exactly the sort of person this doujin was meant to mock. The shitty admiral was consistently making the worst possible choices, and yet you consistently posted in to excuse and sympathize with everything he did. Everything a woman did or didn't do in this doujin, however, invariably resulted in your hatred and rejection of them.

Where's your praise for Kongou?

Kongou had a stated principle of wanting to have fun having sex with a large number of guys, and also to try to win over their hearts in a manner not atypical of how harem game protagonists tend to operate, and she lived that lifestyle without looking back. She lived by her principles of having fun and loving freely, and had several moments of going out of her way to help others live by those principles she lived by. If it's admirable to live by one's principles, even if those principles may not be right, as has been said in justification of the admiral several times, where's the praise for Kongou?

Why is it that the admiral's hypocrisies are overlooked? He talks about caring about his shipgirls, but he's willing to scrap them indiscriminately for failing to live up to his own arbitrary principles, even when they DO live up to them, as he scrapped the girls (like Fubuki) who were committed to a single guy. The pattern of your comments makes it clear it's simply because he's male, and therefore you sympathize with him more. In fact, you don't even acknowledge what the admiral did as hypocrisy, as that's an insult used only on those you didn't sympathize with. (That is, it's pretty clear you don't hate women because they're hypocrites, you call women hypocrites because you already hate women.)

When people are trying to defend what the admiral did, they keep saying that, "he may have a stupid principle, but he's standing by his principles, even when he knows they are wrong, and that's admirable!" No, it absolutely isn't, and that's kind of the only "moral of the story" that can really be drawn from this whole thing, if there is one at all. If I said I had a principle of hating black people and murdering them whenever I saw them, even though I knew it made me a racist serial killer, that wouldn't make me noble, that would just make me a STUBBORN racist serial killer.

Being stubbornly wrong even when you realize how wrong you are isn't a virtue, it's another sin.

I agree

Is Kongou touching herself?

MMaestro said:

Considering the story overall, lolno. This is the same story where Lebe and Max went from virgins to 20+ sexual partners, EACH, in the first month.

That's because that fuckup of an admiral threw those two girls into a fucking lions den, called the men's dorms.

NWSiaCB said: Text wall

calmato, its just a doujin.

79248cm/s said:

calmato, its just a doujin.

NWSiaCB's rant was about keo's selective oblivines about the otaku admiral not about the doujin itself.

Kippenberger said:

NWSiaCB's rant was about keo's selective oblivines about the otaku admiral not about the doujin itself.

And 79248cm/s was saying about how there's no need to get so serious over this doujin itself.

Demundo said:

And 79248cm/s was saying about how there's no need to get so serious over this doujin itself.

Yes and no.
Keo is trying to white-wash negative-type otaku using this doujin and NWSiaCB is debunking Keo's balant lying using the the same Doujin.
They ARE "getting so serious over this doujin itself", but only technicly due to Keo's deliberit misreading of this Doujin and NWSiaCB's choise of method to dubunk him/her/it.

Kippenberger said:

Yes and no.
Keo is trying to white-wash negative-type otaku using this doujin and NWSiaCB is debunking Keo's balant lying using the the same Doujin.
They ARE "getting so serious over this doujin itself", but only technicly due to Keo's deliberit misreading of this Doujin and NWSiaCB's choise of method to dubunk him/her/it.

I have long waited for the day when I could finally be known as a it. It truly is a dream come true.
I'm so happy. :')

Demundo said:

And 79248cm/s was saying about how there's no need to get so serious over this doujin itself.

Which unfortunately the majority think is a no-fun opinion.

I have finished reading this whole series and, basing on the reactions of some people here, I can only give a link of this song being played in the world's smallest violin as recommended listening.

I mean, really, virginity and sexual morality? Haha. Screw that, I'd still do these girls even if they ain't virgins anymore. All of them. That be cash.

Im very sad about Maya tho...

NWSiaCB said:

Well, there's a lot to unpack, there, as always...

1. Shoukaku was a character who was depicted pretty explicitly as having been abused sexually, but that doesn't necessarily mean she can't have a sexual nature of her own. It's Masara's way to depict any female interest in sex that way, so I'd chalk up that to just poor drawing and a glib response to the psychologically damaging nature of rape to the author, himself.

2. What events led up to Kaga's number are unknown. She could well have had some opinion of premarital sex that was changed in the intervening time. Maybe she was pressured into sex, which seems rather common in this world. Or maybe she was just telling the admiral what he wanted to hear because he clearly wasn't about to listen to any other argument, in which case at least a decent part of the blame is on the admiral, as well, for creating the dysfunctional environment in the base.

To be honest, however, how is Kaga's actions here really all that different from her normal tsundereness? She was pretty much explicitly insulting the 5th carrier division for doing something she wound up doing, herself... which is kind of what Kaga does all the time, and is the basis of the whole ZuiKaga thing.

This only becomes such the grave sin because sex was somehow involved.

3. Why does someone wishing Maya get a good end mean they wouldn't wish anyone else get one, too? The pathologically jealous and spiteful admiral was ruining the lives of several shipgirls, including the likes of Fubuki, but Fubuki, at least, seems like it's fairly safe to assume she can get a happy ending on her own.

People most expressly hope for Maya's happy ending because she's the one that is currently heading towards the least likely good outcome, and for that matter, behaved in the most consistently sympathetic and "virtuous" (if such a thing exists in Masara's world) manner, outside of maybe Kongou (who got in a few heroic moments).

Rather, the problem here seems to be how you seem to be exactly the sort of person this doujin was meant to mock. The shitty admiral was consistently making the worst possible choices, and yet you consistently posted in to excuse and sympathize with everything he did. Everything a woman did or didn't do in this doujin, however, invariably resulted in your hatred and rejection of them.

Where's your praise for Kongou?

Kongou had a stated principle of wanting to have fun having sex with a large number of guys, and also to try to win over their hearts in a manner not atypical of how harem game protagonists tend to operate, and she lived that lifestyle without looking back. She lived by her principles of having fun and loving freely, and had several moments of going out of her way to help others live by those principles she lived by. If it's admirable to live by one's principles, even if those principles may not be right, as has been said in justification of the admiral several times, where's the praise for Kongou?

Why is it that the admiral's hypocrisies are overlooked? He talks about caring about his shipgirls, but he's willing to scrap them indiscriminately for failing to live up to his own arbitrary principles, even when they DO live up to them, as he scrapped the girls (like Fubuki) who were committed to a single guy. The pattern of your comments makes it clear it's simply because he's male, and therefore you sympathize with him more. In fact, you don't even acknowledge what the admiral did as hypocrisy, as that's an insult used only on those you didn't sympathize with. (That is, it's pretty clear you don't hate women because they're hypocrites, you call women hypocrites because you already hate women.)

When people are trying to defend what the admiral did, they keep saying that, "he may have a stupid principle, but he's standing by his principles, even when he knows they are wrong, and that's admirable!" No, it absolutely isn't, and that's kind of the only "moral of the story" that can really be drawn from this whole thing, if there is one at all. If I said I had a principle of hating black people and murdering them whenever I saw them, even though I knew it made me a racist serial killer, that wouldn't make me noble, that would just make me a STUBBORN racist serial killer.

Being stubbornly wrong even when you realize how wrong you are isn't a virtue, it's another sin.

Love how you say Kongo is wrong but she's doing what she wants and is therefore worthy of praise and then chastise the admiral for doing the same thing.