Hey now, let's not make fun of the one battleship that actually earned her keep out of you three and didn't get completely rekt for it.
Warspite was limited to 15 knots at the end of WW2 thanks to permanent damage to 2 propeller shafts and 1 boiler room from Fritz X (which sank Roma) and underwater damage from a magnetic influence mine (Kongo sank to a single submarine torpedo hit)
Hey now, let's not make fun of the one battleship that actually earned her keep out of you three and didn't get completely rekt for it.
Warspite was limited to 15 knots at the end of WW2 thanks to permanent damage to 2 propeller shafts and 1 boiler room from Fritz X (which sank Roma) and underwater damage from a magnetic influence mine (Kongo sank to a single submarine torpedo hit)
You're essentially saying she was the most badass cripple in history. And despite that still managed to stay close to even with her more modern counterparts.
You're essentially saying she was the most badass cripple in history. And despite that still managed to stay close to even with her more modern counterparts.
It wasn't just that either. Going into WWII she had some old war wounds from Jutland that never really healed. Something to do with the rudder if I recall.
You're essentially saying she was the most badass cripple in history. And despite that still managed to stay close to even with her more modern counterparts.
Nah, US ships have that distinction with far too many examples to list thanks to their DC and industry. There was even a US civilian tanker that took a greater beating than Warspite and survived.
I'm just pointing out the irony of Roma and Kongou pitying Warspite's health given that she survived things that outright sank them.
Hey now, let's not make fun of the one battleship that actually earned her keep out of you three and didn't get completely rekt for it.
Warspite was limited to 15 knots at the end of WW2 thanks to permanent damage to 2 propeller shafts and 1 boiler room from Fritz X (which sank Roma) and underwater damage from a magnetic influence mine (Kongo sank to a single submarine torpedo hit)
Please stop mentioning that, as it is fundamentally misleading.
The Italia (ex Littorio) was hit too by a Fritz X, but despite taking on considerable water (between leaking and counterbalancing tanks, some 1200-1500 tons) she was able to steam on at speed (she, too, was never properly repaired) and was still operational. The Warspite was absolutely and completely crippled, without energy, and had to be towed away; and she spent some nine months under repair.
The Roma, on the other hand, was just unfortunate, and was hit straight in the magazine area, so she blew up. There's nothing about badassery or "earning one's keep" about it.
Warspite was limited to 15 knots at the end of WW2 thanks to permanent damage to 2 propeller shafts and 1 boiler room from Fritz X (which sank Roma) and underwater damage from a magnetic influence mine (Kongo sank to a single submarine torpedo hit)
Kongou was hit by two torpedoes and based on the performance of her WWI era sisters against the same threat during the war Warspite might have been about as fucked in the same situation.
Historynerd said:
Please stop mentioning that, as it is fundamentally misleading.
The Italia (ex Littorio) was hit too by a Fritz X, but despite taking on considerable water (between leaking and counterbalancing tanks, some 1200-1500 tons) she was able to steam on at speed (she, too, was never properly repaired) and was still operational. The Warspite was absolutely and completely crippled, without energy, and had to be towed away; and she spent some nine months under repair.
The Roma, on the other hand, was just unfortunate, and was hit straight in the magazine area, so she blew up. There's nothing about badassery or "earning one's keep" about it.
USS Savannah was also struck with the bomb exploding directly within the magazine of a number three six inch turret, but between less reactive munitions and an inrush of water from the blown out bottom only suffered flooding. She sailed away from the front under her own power to Malta to be patched up before going back to the US for a fairly extensive refit that include bulging the hull, replacing the secondary battery, and other detail modifications.
Minimin said:
Nah, US ships have that distinction with far too many examples to list thanks to their DC and industry. There was even a US civilian tanker that took a greater beating than Warspite and su
Good sized tankers are actually harder to sink then most but the largest warships.
Consider, it's basically nothing but a series of isolated compartments filled with a liquid lighter then water or air giving it absurd reserve buoyancy, if the tanks are liquid filled they effectively provide massive splinter protection preventing the spread of damage across wide areas of the ship. This series of liquid tanks and air gaps which is often much wider in beam then a warship also means it effectively has an absurdly deep makeshift TDS and for safety reasons many have double hulls. Too many tankers to count shrugged off torpedoes (sometimes more then one!) during WWII and during the 'tanker war' in the middle east in the 80s the huge tankers plying the route repeatedly shrugged off ASM that would have crippled any modern cruiser or destroy, but which many times failed to even stop the ships as they enter above the water line exploded in a tank compartment, the liquid loading contained the shrapnel, and thus nothing critical to the ship was damaged and there was little if any flooding.
There have in fact been semi-serious proposals to move to large tanker like hulls instead of the smaller streamlined hulls for modern warships, the issues of the ships being slower, huge, and thus limited in port and repair facilitates tending to be the deal breakers.
Hey now, let's not make fun of the one battleship that actually earned her keep out of you three and didn't get completely rekt for it.
Warspite was limited to 15 knots at the end of WW2 thanks to permanent damage to 2 propeller shafts and 1 boiler room from Fritz X (which sank Roma) and underwater damage from a magnetic influence mine (Kongo sank to a single submarine torpedo hit)
They should have used Littorio, that survived the same things (Fritz X in sept. '43 and torpedoing in june 42), without even reducing her speed, (and several direct aerial bomb hits with only slight damages, differently than the Warspite at Crete). But she is a too kind character. I can't see her bluntly tell that report.
USS Savannah was also struck with the bomb exploding directly within the magazine of a number three six inch turret, but between less reactive munitions and an inrush of water from the blown out bottom only suffered flooding. She sailed away from the front under her own power to Malta to be patched up before going back to the US for a fairly extensive refit that include bulging the hull, replacing the secondary battery, and other detail modifications.
You said it yourself. Given that a light cruiser's hull is less strong than a battleship's, there was no such possibility for the Roma, to escape the deflagration of the main magazines.
Also, as far as I know it took some eight hours for USS Savannah to raise steam again and sail away.
Dogwalker said:
They should have used Littorio, that survived the same things (Fritz X in sept. '43 and torpedoing in june 42), without even reducing her speed, (and several direct aerial bomb hits with only slight damages, differently than the Warspite at Crete). But she is a too kind character. I can't see her bluntly tell that report.
I don't think it's correct to compare the torpedo defense systems of two WWI-era battleships (or battlecruisers) with that of a post-Washington era battlewagon.
I don't think it's correct to compare the torpedo defense systems of two WWI-era battleships (or battlecruisers) with that of a post-Washington era battlewagon.
Infact none compared them. The original issue only concerned about who survived to what, and, looking to the battleships that whitstood a treatment similar to the one that crippled the Warspite (Fritx-X, underwater explosion and conventional aerial bombings), there are not much samples available. There is one, and is in the game. About post-Washington era battlewagons, some could say that it's difficult to keep the Prince of Wales as an example of resistances to torpedoes, but we all know that, when a torpedo hits out of the anti-torpedo bulges, damages are a question of luck as well as good engineering. Same for the magazine explosion abroad the Roma. Not all the bomb explosions in the magazines led to a general magazine explosion, and Italian shells and launch charges were not more sensible than others. Roma had been unlucky, while Nelson, IE, had been lucky that the torpedo that hit her port side torpedo launcher, shattering several of her torpedos, had not triggered a fatal explosion.
Please stop mentioning that, as it is fundamentally misleading.
The Italia (ex Littorio) was hit too by a Fritz X, but despite taking on considerable water (between leaking and counterbalancing tanks, some 1200-1500 tons) she was able to steam on at speed (she, too, was never properly repaired) and was still operational. The Warspite was absolutely and completely crippled, without energy, and had to be towed away; and she spent some nine months under repair.
The Roma, on the other hand, was just unfortunate, and was hit straight in the magazine area, so she blew up. There's nothing about badassery or "earning one's keep" about it.
I'm just being farcial about the two battleships who got sunk by the same threats laughing at Warspite. If it had been Littorio doing the talking I wouldn't even be here.
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