Still terrible at night battles due to the low torpedo stat :x
That may be the case, but Zara Due is now the queen when it comes to daytime battles for CA's, and given her long range she's more like a pocket battleship now.
Also, a bit of a gimmick she has: she has 3 3-plane slots, and 1 6-plane slot, essentially making her into something like a pseudo-CAV.
This might be it. This might be where i quit Kancolle. Warspite was bad with her OP ness, but at least she was slow and slow battleships cant sortie anywhere. This... fuck this. Really? An italian CA is the most powerful one in the entire game? Not only that, but boring, personality-lacking Zara?
Still terrible at night battles due to the low torpedo stat :x
The whole point of Zara due is daytime shelling supremacy. As of now she is the best daytime damage dealer among CAs, which means that in combined fleet she is a main fleet CA (anyone who's been playing for a while will know main fleet CA happens more often than one would think), and also the best anti-installation CA. The latter is super important because you can never have enough excellent anti-installation ships.
This might be it. This might be where i quit Kancolle. Warspite was bad with her OP ness, but at least she was slow and slow battleships cant sortie anywhere. This... fuck this. Really? An italian CA is the most powerful one in the entire game? Not only that, but boring, personality-lacking Zara?
Fuck it.
Except Zara isn't the most powerful CA, that's still Choukai. Zara Due is a niche ship for combined main fleet and anti-installation duties. For anything that depends on yasen that isn't an installation, Choukai and Haguro are still the very top. L2P.
Also the Zara-class was historically built with the intention of having supremacy in an artillery battle, which is why they had really good armor.
Probably because they have shit in their heads. What they did with Aquila's stats is just one of their many errors like: VV-class armor too low. Zara-class armor too low, they fixed it a little but it's still too low. Prinz Eugen armor too high. Warspite firepower too high. Kongou armor too high.
Being an Italian admiral who was interested in warships way before this game existed is becoming too painful.
I couldn't know less about what she does game-wise, but her being specialized for daytime fighting... I can't say anything against that.
ithekro said:
Italian ships were historically bad at night battle anyway.
It would be more correct to say that the Regia Marina simply hadn't cared about night battles, so training and equipment were horribly inadequate, if not outright non-existent on the major ships.
Yep, although I didn't expect this much power. Also, her harmor seemed a bit too high but if this remodel represents somehow her original project (the one with a 200mm belt), it's ok.
Yep, although I didn't expect this much power. Also, her harmor seemed a bit too high but if this remodel represents somehow her original project (the one with a 200mm belt), it's ok.
Maybe I don't get it, but why is the armor high? Prinz Eugen Kai's armor is 82, not too far off. If she gets a Zwei, how high would that be?
Yep, although I didn't expect this much power. Also, her harmor seemed a bit too high but if this remodel represents somehow her original project (the one with a 200mm belt), it's ok.
Prinz Eugen Kai is 82, and her original armor was nothing to write home about (barely better than that of the Trento class).
That may be the case, but Zara Due is now the queen when it comes to daytime battles for CA's, and given her long range she's more like a pocket battleship now.
That's what the Zara class was designed to be. The only cruiser witn a real immunity zone.
That's what the Zara class was designed to be. The only cruiser witn a real immunity zone.
Against 203 mm guns, I'm not sure that even her protection scheme can provide an immunity zone, and even if it did, I think it might be somewhat small.
It would've been a definite thing, had the original design, with a 200 mm belt, been built.
Neither the Zara-class nor Ooyodo had torpedoes but the devs still gave them pity torp stats. If any American CA ever makes it (Tanaka seems determined to add less-conventional foreign ships for every Navy this and next year so CA might not happen) it'll be like Zara and Pola, with a pity torp stat. If it's any before Des Moinse then it will be shit like Zara Kai, but if it's Des Moinse you can expect something similar to Zara Due: trong anti-installation and daytime capabilities with high armor. Zara-class was the best armored CA until Des Moinse showed up after all. It's far more likely for them to add an AACL like Atlanta-class though because such a class is more interesting than your run of the mill CL or CA. Or he could forgo cruisers altogether and add an AV for Catalina to keep Akitsushima some company.
Neither the Zara-class nor Ooyodo had torpedoes but the devs still gave them pity torp stats. If any American CA ever makes it (Tanaka seems determined to add less-conventional foreign ships for every Navy this and next year so CA might not happen) it'll be like Zara and Pola, with a pity torp stat. If it's any before Des Moinse then it will be shit like Zara Kai, but if it's Des Moinse you can expect something similar to Zara Due: trong anti-installation and daytime capabilities with high armor. Zara-class was the best armored CA until Des Moinse showed up after all. It's far more likely for them to add an AACL like Atlanta-class though because such a class is more interesting than your run of the mill CL or CA. Or he could forgo cruisers altogether and add an AV for Catalina to keep Akitsushima some company.
Well it's the game anyway or it's just the IJN pity the foreign CAs (Except Prinz) so badly that they give them some torpedo armament.
Well it's the game anyway or it's just the IJN pity the foreign CAs (Except Prinz) so badly that they give them some torpedo armament.
Thing about Prinz is, the Admiral Hipper class did actually carry torpedoes and had as many tubes as a Myoukou-class, whereas the USN CAs (except Pensacola-class and Northampton-class) and Zara-class did not carry any torpedoes. Foreign ships aren't the only ones who get pity torpedo stat though, as I said earlier Ooyodo didn't carry any torpedoes nor had any tubes for them yet she was still given a pity 49 torp stat. I think it's safe to say any DD/CL/CA will be given a torpedo stat, even if low, whether they historically carried them or not simply because of those classes' roles in yasen in this game while given some kind of gimmick (AA, FP, Armor, or slots) to compensate and allow them a niche role instead of just being useless.
Maybe I don't get it, but why is the armor high? Prinz Eugen Kai's armor is 82, not too far off. If she gets a Zwei, how high would that be?
Well, I find it a bit high because it's really close to the armor of battleships like Kongou Kai and Fusou Kai (89), Roma Kai (90) and even Kirishima Kai Ni, Ise Kai and Italia (92). As for Prinz Eugen armor, I said it was too high so we shouldn't really use her for a comparison.
Except Zara isn't the most powerful CA, that's still Choukai. Zara Due is a niche ship for combined main fleet and anti-installation duties. For anything that depends on yasen that isn't an installation, Choukai and Haguro are still the very top. L2P.
Also the Zara-class was historically built with the intention of having supremacy in an artillery battle, which is why they had really good armor.
Ink20 said:
Well, I find it a bit high because it's really close to the armor of battleships like Kongou Kai and Fusou Kai (89), Roma Kai (90) and even Kirishima Kai Ni, Ise Kai and Italia (92). As for Prinz Eugen armor, I said it was too high so we shouldn't really use her for a comparison.
At this point it would be interesting to see how the game creators would choose to depict the Duca Degli Abruzzi class, whose composite vertical armor (30mm decap plate + 100mm inclined main plate, + 25mm splinter plate) was considered by it's designers to be on par with that of the Zara (probably a little bit worse vs the shells, but better against torpedoes), and that had two triple torpedo launchers (and two catapults with the real possibility to carry six aircrafts, and, from early 1943, the radar).
At this point it would be interesting to see how the game creators would choose to depict the Duca Degli Abruzzi class, whose composite vertical armor (30mm decap plate + 100mm inclined main plate, + 25mm splinter plate) was considered by it's designers to be on par with that of the Zara (probably a little bit worse vs the shells, but better against torpedoes), and that had two triple torpedo launchers (and two catapults with the real possibility to carry six aircrafts, and, from early 1943, the radar).
Um... I don't see how the belt armor of the Duca degli Abruzzi-class can matter, if we talk about torpedoes. I'm talking IRL here, I don't know game-wise.
True, a torpedo proceeding at minimal depth might strike the belt area, but I think it would've been more probable to hit the area beneath, which as far as I know (based on drawings I've seen) was protected only by a double bottom, and perhaps an internal 12 mm bulkhead.
Also, more than inclined, the 100 mm belt was concave-shaped.
I'm in no way a radar expert, but I guess there is a chance we might get eventually a ship with the "Gufo" radar, although I don't know what kind of performance it may have. Perhaps somewhat lower than the current FuMo 25?
Um... I don't see how the belt armor of the Duca degli Abruzzi-class can matter, if we talk about torpedoes. I'm talking IRL here, I don't know game-wise.
True, a torpedo proceeding at minimal depth might strike the belt area, but I think it would've been more probable to hit the area beneath, which as far as I know (based on drawings I've seen) was protected only by a double bottom, and perhaps an internal 12 mm bulkhead.
Also, more than inclined, the 100 mm belt was concave-shaped.
I'm in no way a radar expert, but I guess there is a chance we might get eventually a ship with the "Gufo" radar, although I don't know what kind of performance it may have. Perhaps somewhat lower than the current FuMo 25?
The Duca degli Abruzzi belt was much deeper below the waterline than that of the Zara, and was not tapered, but mantained the full tickness all the way down. IRL, and not game wise, it protected the Garibaldi from a Mk VIII torpedo (of the Upholder submarine) with only 700t of water embarked and no loss of power, that's a record of minimal damages for a Cruiser (we see heavy cruisers and battleships with far more serious damages after being hit by lighter aerial torpedoes). Maybe the crew of the Upholder set the torpedo for a too shallow run, but you must have the right equipment to take advantage of the mistakes of the enemy.
The Duca degli Abruzzi belt was much deeper below the waterline than that of the Zara, and was not tapered, but mantained the full tickness all the way down. IRL, and not game wise, it protected the Garibaldi from a Mk VIII torpedo (of the Upholder submarine) with only 700t of water embarked and no loss of power, that's a record of minimal damages for a Cruiser (we see heavy cruisers and battleships with far more serious damages after being hit by lighter aerial torpedoes). Maybe the crew of the Upholder set the torpedo for a too shallow run, but you must have the right equipment to take advantage of the mistakes of the enemy.
I don't know much, but I seem to recall that the Garibaldi wasn't hit in the citadel area but towards the bow.
