Message of the story, if you bully someone hard enough, you will cause enough mental stress that they experience stockholm's syndrome for you the moment you show tiny bit of kindness.
Message of the story, if you bully someone hard enough, you will cause enough mental stress that they experience stockholm's syndrome for you the moment you show tiny bit of kindness.
I don't think that describes the nature of their relationship. Usually it's she takes it too far, he shows some backbone, and she's apologetic.
I don't think that describes the nature of their relationship. Usually it's she takes it too far, he shows some backbone, and she's apologetic.
I think you and I have different scales for what is too far
Teasing is fine and good, but you need to clearly show that you are teasing via tone and body language. She instead constantly gave off mocking impressions, even looking down on him. Yes, we saw that she had feeling for him pretty early on, but it took her a pretty long time to tone things down to a level where it was no longer bullying.
I think you and I have different scales for what is too far
Teasing is fine and good, but you need to clearly show that you are teasing via tone and body language. She instead constantly gave off mocking impressions, even looking down on him. Yes, we saw that she had feeling for him pretty early on, but it took her a pretty long time to tone things down to a level where it was no longer bullying.
They’re freshmen/sophomores in high school. They’re not that much past the age where pulling hair or hitting someone is how you show that you have a crush on them. If they were adults, it’s one thing, but for kids it’s pretty realistic.
They’re freshmen/sophomores in high school. They’re not that much past the age where pulling hair or hitting someone is how you show that you have a crush on them. If they were adults, it’s one thing, but for kids it’s pretty realistic.
Maybe I am just being harsher because I have seen how this kind of "affection" in high-school has lead to suicide. It wasn't pretty, the girl was devastated, I don't know if she ever recovered, and the family of the boy rightfully didn't forgive her (nor the other 3 bullies). It was mess and pain all around.
The boy had been suffering from self-esteem issues, but from what I heard from his own mouth,high-school was a fresh start and he was getting pretty well along with the class... until she started being a rightful bully to him.
You see, when other kids see someone be bullied, you usually get 3 reactions; Apathy, Interfering, or Partake.
It might have been unintentional, but due to her behavior, other kids, all outside of the class weirdly enough, started bullying him something fierce. Not while at school, but after it.
There weren't many, 3 kids from what I got to know, but that was enough to cause him to break, with her bullying him at school on top of it, it was simply too much.
That's the reason why my stance against these kind of things won't ever budge. The possible repercussion are simply too high. I only knew the kid for a short while, he was bit of an open book and surprisingly naive for someone that had been bullied pre-high school. He didn't deserve the girl's "affections" and yes, she was genuinely interested in him (according to her friends). But it didn't come out that way in the least.
It is so easy for us adults to excuse this kind of behavior as "them being children" but that is because most of us have forgotten about how bad these things can be. Hell, I might be agreeing with you by if I hadn't been at ground Zero.
I'm going to be frank with you: Senpai and Nagatoro's relationship isn't like that, and it's not heading in that direction. In several chapters Nagatoro has actually stopped her friends from bullying senpai. She has also been clearly encouraging him to improve himself, rather than constantly belittling him all the time. It's also a fact that most of the school seems to simply ignore senpai, rather than actively bully him.
I think you need to read more than just the first few chapters of the manga before you judge it.
I'm going to be frank with you: Senpai and Nagatoro's relationship isn't like that, and it's not heading in that direction. In several chapters Nagatoro has actually stopped her friends from bullying senpai. She has also been clearly encouraging him to improve himself, rather than constantly belittling him all the time. It's also a fact that most of the school seems to simply ignore senpai, rather than actively bully him.
I think you need to read more than just the first few chapters of the manga before you judge it.
I have read most of it, just saying that she shouldn't have behaved that way to begin with because the risks of it backfiring are pretty bad.
I know she shifts and goes purely for the "light"-ish teasing route. But early on, it wasn't really that apparent.
Nevertheless I do find it interesting that if the story was shoujo and the character switched genders, then Nagatoro would likely be despised by over half the fandom of that story. And if we mentally switched the roles irl, it would also come out in a pretty ugly picture. I find it an interesting inspection into our psyche that if the person is attractive (particularly if they are cute), we are much more likely to let things slide, stuff we wouldn't usually find fine.
But meh, I am merely criticizing the character, not calling for the story to cease. The fact I don't like the character of Nagatoro doesn't mean I am against the work/manga. Fiction ain't reality after all (even if, hypocritically enough, I was using it pretty prevalently as an example to why her early behavior was horrid)
Maybe I am just being harsher because I have seen how this kind of "affection" in high-school has lead to suicide. It wasn't pretty, the girl was devastated, I don't know if she ever recovered, and the family of the boy rightfully didn't forgive her (nor the other 3 bullies). It was mess and pain all around.
I expect she recovered within months if not weeks. If a female tests a male and he fails, unless it directly causes her harm or fright, it's no sweat off her back and he's quickly forgotten as useless to her. Unless she's traumatized from the idea that he could very well have snapped and murdered her, his memory will be discarded and forgotten like a used napkin. That's just how the world is, and how expendable males are.
As for Nagatoro... I HATED the original version mainly because Hachiouji was too much of a coward to stand his ground and pull a "to the last, I grapple with thee, from Hell's heart I stab at thee, for hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee". The later official manga version of Nagatoro however IS abundantly clear that she's just trolling him, and she hangs around him so much that even the dense Hachiouji noticed she's befriending him the same way men befriend each other: By trolling each other for the lolz.
