Her expressions, the voice acting, the way she wiggles her butt to make the toy sway like a tail, the casual implication she's a size queen... this is a masterpiece.

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wolfnanaki said:

Her expressions, the voice acting, the way she wiggles her butt to make the toy sway like a tail, the casual implication she's a size queen... this is a masterpiece.

*he

Eva should check the tags on this post before going Janny on everyone's comments here.

The fictional character doesn't care about what gender any of you give it.

why do we fight? she's cute as fuck, that much we should all agree on

darkspire91 said:

The fictional character doesn't care about what gender any of you give it.

But we do. Especially when the devs retcon his gender to seem woke and inclusive.

bunkhead said:

But we do. Especially when the devs retcon his gender to seem woke and inclusive.

It's not a retcon, nor do you have any proof that's why they did it

Can't you bunch keep this discussion in just one image's comments? not all of them!

Bridget is such an icon, I love him!

blindVigil said:

It's not a retcon, nor do you have any proof that's why they did it

True, there's only the differences between the original JPN version and the translated version.

Oh for fucks sake, can y'all either put up or shut up? Just link a stream of someone getting the ending in question. That way, we all see what the JP ending says, and no one can really say its modified or whatever and we can have these images not cluttered with arguments.

Garrus said:

Oh for fucks sake, can y'all either put up or shut up? Just link a stream of someone getting the ending in question. That way, we all see what the JP ending says, and no one can really say its modified or whatever and we can have these images not cluttered with arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK1VT04-3Gk
But I doubt anyone will bother.

Garrus said:

Oh for fucks sake, can y'all either put up or shut up? Just link a stream of someone getting the ending in question. That way, we all see what the JP ending says, and no one can really say its modified or whatever and we can have these images not cluttered with arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
Here's the entire scenario in English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7voFmNtqj8A
And here's the entire scenario in Japanese, plus an additional scene with Testament.

If someone with a strong understanding of Japanese would like to explain how they differ, or how they don't, be my guest.

Now, as someone with a limited understanding of the language, I know enough to recognize one thing. When she says "I'm... a girl!" in Japanese, she uses 女の子 (on'nanoko) which means "girl." She does not use 男の娘 (Otoko no ko) or 男の子 (otoko no ko), meaning "boy". You can hear this spoken plainly, and there is no "male symbol" anywhere in the text.

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blindVigil said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
Here's the entire scenario in English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7voFmNtqj8A
And here's the entire scenario in Japanese, plus an additional scene with Testament.

If someone with a strong understanding of Japanese would like to explain how they differ, or how they don't, be my guest.

Now, as someone with a limited understanding of the language, I know enough to recognize one thing. When she says "I'm... a girl!" in Japanese, she uses 女の子 (on'nanoko) which means "girl." She does not use 男の娘 (Otoko no ko) or 男の子 (otoko no ko), meaning "boy". You can hear this spoken plainly, and there is no "male symbol" anywhere in the text.

THANK you. CD, this is what I was asking. I don't give a fuck what someone on youtube commentating on this shitstorm thinks, and that is not what I asked for. I just wanted the raw footage.

blindVigil said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
Here's the entire scenario in English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7voFmNtqj8A
And here's the entire scenario in Japanese, plus an additional scene with Testament.

If someone with a strong understanding of Japanese would like to explain how they differ, or how they don't, be my guest.

Now, as someone with a limited understanding of the language, I know enough to recognize one thing. When she says "I'm... a girl!" in Japanese, she uses 女の子 (on'nanoko) which means "girl." She does not use 男の娘 (Otoko no ko) or 男の子 (otoko no ko), meaning "boy". You can hear this spoken plainly, and there is no "male symbol" anywhere in the text.

Girl does not refer to gender identity in this context. He was never acknowledged as trans or female by the developers. You're not meant to actually interpret it this way.

Achelexus said:

Girl does not refer to gender identity in this context. He was never acknowledged as trans or female by the developers. You're not meant to actually interpret it this way.

Bridget literally clarifies that they are a girl.

Edit: for those thinking that this is some misunderstanding and that there's a some subtly that only people who speak japanese would know then congrats on admitting you never played the games. Bridget despite how she dressed was never subtle about anything which is how her stories in the past got played for laughs. Bridget in xx was full otoko no ko and her scene with Johnny was played laughs because Johnny didn't know she was a he with Bridget even stating at the time that she was a he, now contrast that with strive and notice how the humor is gone and the tone has completely changed with it finally culminating with Bridget accepting that she wanted to be a girl

I thought this already stopped a while ago, you folks are obsessed. If anything, I admire your perseverance.
Sadly no amount of delusion, seething or mass downvoting will change what's between his legs. People WILL keep tagging him as "boy" AND calling him a boy, and there's nothing you can do about it. Making a mess in the comments wherever you go will only make you look like clowns even more.

groen90 said:
Sadly no amount of delusion, seething or mass downvoting will change what's between his legs.

Honestly, don't bother. I tried to reason these people, and the result is that a lot of my comments got downvoted and my uploads got frozen. You can't win with these, they're so sure they're in the right that everything they do is justified, even harassment, and I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they start defacing art while pretending they're "fixing" it.
Just let them seethe.

FRien said:

Honestly, don't bother. I tried to reason these people, and the result is that a lot of my comments got downvoted and my uploads got frozen. You can't win with these, they're so sure they're in the right that everything they do is justified, even harassment, and I'm sure it's just a matter of time before they start defacing art while pretending they're "fixing" it.
Just let them seethe.

I just posted a very detailed analysis of the entire thing and none of them care, the video maker even went into detail about what bridget said and what he meant. They literally have blinders and ear plugs on.

cd_young said:

I just posted a very detailed analysis of the entire thing and none of them care, the video maker even went into detail about what bridget said and what he meant. They literally have blinders and ear plugs on.

"Detailed analysis" it was 12 minutes long, used the intentionally misleading 4chan post as part of the argument, and explained basically nothing.

FRien said:

my uploads got frozen

You haven't uploaded anything in a month, are you saying you can't, as in, you're being prevented from doing so?

blindVigil said:

"Detailed analysis" it was 12 minutes long, used the intentionally misleading 4chan post as part of the argument, and explained basically nothing.

You say that of literally every argument that says Bridget is a boy.

cd_young said:

You say that of literally every argument that says Bridget is a boy.

Probably because every last one of them either cites false information, makes unsubstantiated claims, or just outright lies. Like many of yours. Hey, remember when you claimed Bridget was still being forced to live as a girl, despite every single official source, both English and Japanese, one could find with a simple Google search explicitly stating that not to be the case?

Tell me this: If Bridget calling herself a girl is supposed to be a joke, why is there no comedic tone in her scenario whatsoever? Nothing about her scenario comes across as humorous. Her theme song isn't humorous, her behavior isn't jovial or comedic. Neither version of the game makes any attempt to present anything she does or says in a joking tone.

I don't doubt that "otoko no ko" or "femboy" or crossdressing or homosexual or what have you people and characters refer to themselves as women jokingly or ironically. That's a thing in the west, too. What I doubt is that being Bridget's intent, because the entire scenario is very serious in tone. It's a complete waste of time to make that claim over and over as if the phrase "I'm a girl!" is just inherently a joke and devoid of context because you so desperately want Bridget not to be a girl.

I really don't care what Bridget is or ends up being, what I want is for people to stop fucking lying to push their narrative and provide some real fucking evidence. I've tried pointing to things that support my stance, and you and Frien have just blatantly ignored every single one to make easily refuted claims, so I don't know why you're acting like everyone else is being unreasonable and not giving your useless videos a genuine chance.

Even if Bridget seems to be a trans after all, danbooru policy will still tag her as otoko no ko and boy, so I don't know why we are still fighting about this.

Icewarrior said:

Even if Bridget seems to be a trans after all, danbooru policy will still tag her as otoko no ko and boy, so I don't know why we are still fighting about this.

1. That is only an issue because the existence of the tag is dumb to begin with. "Tag what you see, unless this specific tag would apply, in that case tag what you know."
2. Some people have their head so far up their asses that they feel the urge to keep yelling their wrong opinion at the internet in hopes of converting others.
3. Making a tag to cover these cases is a lost cause because the people mentioned in point 2 will just keep vandalizing the relevant posts.

blindVigil said:

You haven't uploaded anything in a month, are you saying you can't, as in, you're being prevented from doing so?

No, l mean that I uploaded stuff, even tried to tag them properly despite hating that part, and it didn't get approved. Since I can't think of any reason why it didn't get approved, I rely on Occam's razor and go for the simplest explanation.

FRien said:

No, l mean that I uploaded stuff, even tried to tag them properly despite hating that part, and it didn't get approved. Since I can't think of any reason why it didn't get approved, I rely on Occam's razor and go for the simplest explanation.

Holy shit, the simplest explanation is that none of the approvers who saw them could be bothered to approve them, not some weird semi upload ban where all your uploads are automatically disapproved.

FRien said:

No, l mean that I uploaded stuff, even tried to tag them properly despite hating that part, and it didn't get approved. Since I can't think of any reason why it didn't get approved, I rely on Occam's razor and go for the simplest explanation.

Yeah, that's what I figured you were suggesting, so I checked. Your last uploaded images were on 8/04, and failed approval on 8/07. Your first comment on the Bridget stuff was on 8/10, three days after your uploads were deleted. I guess the approvers saw into the future and refused to approve your uploads because of things you hadn't said yet, right? Totally the simplest and only logical conclusion.

Incineration said:
1. That is only an issue because the existence of the tag is dumb to begin with. "Tag what you see, unless this specific tag would apply, in that case tag what you know."
...
3. Making a tag to cover these cases is a lost cause because the people mentioned in point 2 will just keep vandalizing the relevant posts.

Rule 1 is intended to be a "you're not wrong" way of resolving tagging issues, not a rules laywer approach. As long as the tag is not outright incorrect, it's fine. If you spent all day sorting out which images are in the incorrect classifications of these three tags - futanari, full-package_futanari, newhalf - you'd probably go crazy resolving all of the inconsistencies between what the artist drew, what the artist intended (consistent character), what the artist commented, and what we'd best tag it as. On that note ...

If we're going to blame our tags for anything, it's that they acknowledge the difference between sex and gender, and then use what are generally considered gender terms for sex terms. People need to read the wiki before they apply tags sometimes. 1boy defines the same as "1 male character" which still applies even for Bridget unless otherwise stated. It's a sex tag, not a gender one. Some people have distinctively drawn a female Bridget in the past and that's perfectly acceptable to tag it as 1girl. transgender also clarifies the the point on tagging biological sex before gender preference. Bridget is a boy raised as if female and in female garb who then spent a great deal of time trying to convince people "she is male" while still being confused by others as one for the other. That's Bridget's story. If you drew an image depicting any individual part of that story, the tagging would have to be different to respect the image. You're not going to go back and retag every Bridget one thing or another based on Bridget now. If you search Bridget's tag, you should always get Bridget.

Incineration said:

Holy shit, the simplest explanation is that none of the approvers who saw them could be bothered to approve them, not some weird semi upload ban where all your uploads are automatically disapproved.

I though I'd get an explanation if there was a valid reason. The fact I didn't get any doesn't really put me in confidence.

blindVigil said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
Here's the entire scenario in English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7voFmNtqj8A
And here's the entire scenario in Japanese, plus an additional scene with Testament.

If someone with a strong understanding of Japanese would like to explain how they differ, or how they don't, be my guest.

Now, as someone with a limited understanding of the language, I know enough to recognize one thing. When she says "I'm... a girl!" in Japanese, she uses 女の子 (on'nanoko) which means "girl." She does not use 男の娘 (Otoko no ko) or 男の子 (otoko no ko), meaning "boy". You can hear this spoken plainly, and there is no "male symbol" anywhere in the text.

I have no idea how it works in Japan, since they clearly have different culture, but "I'm a boy/girl" isn't always to be taken literally.

I've been long around that I've seen people use "stop being a woman" as an insult and not to literally stop being a woman. You know, due to upon centuries of society things and the like, certain things were expected of men and other of women, so that kind of comparison was meant to be demeaning. it bled into the language itself, as there are insults that exists solely for that purpose. On the less negative side, you have terms like "Wearing the pants"- for person assuming the typically male role in a relationship. I've even heard there are some similar expressions in the relationships between people of same sex but don't quote me on that, cause I am not part of that.

(and while many languages do not have grammatical genders, they still possess some concept of gender, like having distinction between father and mother or distinction between he/she/it pronouns; very few languages have anything like English's singular "they" or Japanese's gender-neutral honorifics)

There's no point discussing the semantics of a sentence outside of its original context. If we're going to ignore everything else the character says, even in that very cutscene, and the prominent themes of gender identity present since the character's introduction, then any further discussion on this topic is a waste of time.

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Boy howdy is this a fun thread to see in the far future of next week.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-09-14/guilty-gear-strive-developer-bridget-identifies-as-a-woman/.189673

Confirmed female by devs, still expecting someone to try to spin it or shift goalposts again though. :v

m.usouka said:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-09-14/guilty-gear-strive-developer-bridget-identifies-as-a-woman/.189673

Confirmed female by devs, still expecting someone to try to spin it or shift goalposts again though. :v

This why nobody likes you Twiiter activists, even when you're right you still cope and seethe.

bunkhead said:

This why nobody likes you Twiiter activists, even when you're right you still cope and seethe.

Is he wrong, though? It's not like Daisuke saying, "Yes, Bridget is a girl now." is going to suddenly convince everyone who was against it to change their minds. Really, what about that comment even comes across as seething? We all know someone's gonna do exactly what he said.

bunkhead said:

This why nobody likes you Twiiter activists, even when you're right you still cope and seethe.

I'm not sure there's even a viable reason to huff any copium? It's not like Daisuke said it with any ambiguity.

Also just like to note that the only reason I have a twitter account is because accessing lostwind10 content wouldn't be possible otherwise. :v

bunkhead said:

This why nobody likes you Twiiter activists, even when you're right you still cope and seethe.

Lashing out never solved anything.

m.usouka said:

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-09-14/guilty-gear-strive-developer-bridget-identifies-as-a-woman/.189673

Confirmed female by devs, still expecting someone to try to spin it or shift goalposts again though. :v

Cool beans, but personally I think I'll stick to calling him "boy" regardless, since everybody knows what's between his legs. At least until Danbooru also caves in and starts tagging him "1girl". Is that gonna get me banned for "hate speech" or something? Otherwise I can deal with the mass downvotes.

This is not a girl??? What?

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blindVigil said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5ezv_xxOk
Here's the entire scenario in English

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7voFmNtqj8A
And here's the entire scenario in Japanese, plus an additional scene with Testament.

If someone with a strong understanding of Japanese would like to explain how they differ, or how they don't, be my guest.

Now, as someone with a limited understanding of the language, I know enough to recognize one thing. When she says "I'm... a girl!" in Japanese, she uses 女の子 (on'nanoko) which means "girl." She does not use 男の娘 (Otoko no ko) or 男の子 (otoko no ko), meaning "boy". You can hear this spoken plainly, and there is no "male symbol" anywhere in the text.

Hi, JP→EN translator here (my most well-known is probably Monhan no Erohon 16 (EN)). You're correct in your analysis. But let's go a little further than just the 女の子 line. At the very beginning, she corrects Goldlewis calling her お嬢ちゃん (something akin to "little miss") by saying, "ウチは・・・男です" (I'm...a boy/man.).

She then spends the succeeding fights talking to Goldlewis about running away from something, averting her eyes from the truth (he recognises it in her because he, too, has done so). Even after her fight with Ky, Goldlewis calls her out, saying she has "逃げ癖" or "a habit of running away". After Ky tells her to "make sure that future you doesn't regret [running away]" (未来の自分が後悔しないよう), she eventually responds, "ウチ怖くて逃げたのを・・・・・・やめたいです" (I want to stop running away in fear). A few lines later, "これから何があっても・・・・・・自分にはウソをつきません" (from now on, whatever happens......I won't lie to myself).

When Goldlewis then says his parting words, saying "元気でな、お嬢ちゃん。いや、お坊ちゃんか？" (Take care, little miss...err, was it little sir?), she responds by confirming that お嬢ちゃん (little miss) is right. The full line is "お嬢ちゃんで良いですよ。ウチは・・・・・・女の子ですから！" (Little miss is ok because I'm......a girl!).

Not only does the text support that she's a girl, her whole journey so far about her always running away from the truth, her wanting to stop doing that, to push through despite her worries, to stop lying to herself, all culminating in that last line where she sounds the least unsure and the most excited. Even comparing her tone of voice when correcting Goldlewis before the first match saying "I'm a boy/man" where she sounds unconvincing to the end where she excitedly announces "I'm a girl", you can see what her convictions and truth are.

Being unsure, worrying about family, worrying about how others might perceive you, worrying about if it might be a mistake that you might regret, then realising that there's no path forward except to live true to yourself, damn what anyone else thinks...that's an absolutely classic trans journey. Whoever wrote the story for her in Guilty Gear Strive most likely either has some trusted trans friends or had an advisor that does because this is probably one of the most accurate journeys I've seen in fiction that isn't a whole book or game specifically designed around it.

Hes so cute

Everyone's missing the point, they're absolutely gonna get pounded by that cock and people worry about the gender

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wolfnanaki said:

Her expressions, the voice acting, the way she wiggles her butt to make the toy sway like a tail, the casual implication she's a size queen... this is a masterpiece.

Ikr?! The wiggles was the cherry on top