All statements point to her being OG Yorktown, just given upgraded rigging. Yorkten is not her own separate person, it appears.

This should've been a retrofit. Why has Manjuu been putting out fewer and fewer retrofits lately?

Buy the skin. Do it.

Kirboh said:

This should've been a retrofit. Why has Manjuu been putting out fewer and fewer retrofits lately?

Made sense since there is another Yorktown being built anyway. Also wasn't the plot in AL (not in game though) she ends up being crippled or something.

If Yorktown was so good, why isn't there a Yorktown II?

Manjuu:

the sencond Yorktown was a Essex-class, like everyone is thinking, this should be a retrofit, not a UR, they should do Coral Sea if they wanted a UR Carrier.

She looks pretty but I do wish they had kept some of the Essex-class design aesthetic with her.

Ayeee essegs class Yorktown and Hornet

I dont blame anyone calling this a recycling design with a coat of modern AL design paint(futuristic, rigging doesnt obstruct the girl, rigging so big that doesnt fit properly into a mobile screen lmao)

She looks cool as she is but not being retro is what people are having trouble with, whats going to happen with the OG one?

Admiral_Shippai said:

I dont blame anyone calling this a recycling design with a coat of modern AL design paint(futuristic, rigging doesnt obstruct the girl, rigging so big that doesnt fit properly into a mobile screen lmao)

She looks cool as she is but not being retro is what people are having trouble with, whats going to happen with the OG one?

Docked permanently, duh. There's no way an Elite could top UR stats and extra skills.
I'm more interested in Laffey II dynamics: will she be a sidegrade or upgrade from the current Laffey Retrofit, because both are different ships, from different class, that shares the same name (and looks exactly the same in-game); the only difference being Laffey II has Gundam RISE particle wings like New Jersey.

Yorktown Reborn as a Nuclear-powered Carrier.... or its the USS Yorktown CV-10 Essex-class.

Event seems kinda like, everything is recycled. Except Northampton unless I missed someone. Just sad to see a UR event kinda wasted like this. Even I can do better on different programs. This is .... More or less copy paste and change some clothes up 😞

GreatPremier said:

Yorktown Reborn as a Nuclear-powered Carrier.... or its the USS Yorktown CV-10 Essex-class.

It's the Essex-class CV-10, which still exists today as a museum ship at Patriots Point in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina.

Update – Laffey II (Allen M. Sumner-class), who appeared to be teased in the event PV, is also at Patriots Point.

Uh, no this shouldn’t be a retrofit. Not every player has enough disposable materials to just shove into Yorktown just so we can get a ship that would only be another SR. And for late game players, an SR we wouldn’t use and take up dock space. Guys, this is an Elite going to UR with updated skills, new lines, a dynamic skin, an intro cutscene, L2D skin, etc. Also, this is an entirely new ship. This is cv-10. You guys are just disappointed that there is no Alaska so you’re taking it out on Yorktown. People worked hard on these great looking new ships. Alaska is still probably gonna come out soon. Just enjoy the THIRD eagle Union UR before the Sakura empire gets its 7th

Panzerkampf00 said:

Not every player has enough disposable materials to just shove into Yorktown

And not everyone has 400 cubes to roll for a UR. That's a terrible argument. Retrofit resources aren't that hard to get. It'd be like, what, 60k gold? You can make that in a day. A retrofit would also always be available.

And for late game players, an SR we wouldn’t use and take up dock space.

If it were good, people would use it, why are you acting like nobody uses anything but URs, now? I'm primarily a "metagamer", and I still use plenty of "not the absolute very best" ships.

blindVigil said: And not everyone has 400 cubes to roll for a UR. That's a terrible argument.

You don’t need 400 cubes for a UR. You have a better chance of getting and actually being able to use it. I’ve been able to get URs on the first day, which is more than I can say about how long it takes to retrofit higher tier ships. Plus it takes a while to get the right retrofit materials, it takes days to get enough T3 blueprints. T3 blueprints that could be used to get PR and DR and ships, coincidentally leaning more towards DR in these last few tiers. The game is becoming more UR focused so I don’t know why you’re complaining about getting another one. Eventually, SR’s will be used less and less. A retrofitted SR does not equal an event UR in power. And I’m not sure what Azur Lane you’re playing to just throw 60k gold at a ship and have it retrofitted, in that case it would be cheaper to retrofit than roll for a UR ship, but it still wouldn’t be better

“Terrible Argument” yet doesn’t even know how to retorofit a ship, fuck off, you make this community more toxic

Depending on how heavily you play and how you plan your resource collection, it may well be easier to just retrofit if you're not going for every Research ship, especially if you have a mature account. Been a while since I played, but I remembered having excess blueprints for some ships- carriers in particular, since IIRC very few carriers really used the higher tier carrier blueprints all that much and there weren't any research carriers at the time.

That said, for a gacha game AL is relatively generous with its gacha currency- what they really are selling is the skins, IIRC. So rolling isn't too hard as long as you maintain a reserve. But, it IS a gacha. That means more than a few people who don't have enough to reach pity will be SOL.

I wouldn't exactly base my argument on the generosity of what is really a form of gambling, even more so for limited time ships.

Also, not what toxicity is.

Panzerkampf00 said:

I’ve been able to get URs on the first day, which is more than I can say about how long it takes to retrofit higher tier ships.

Great useless anecdote. That's entirely up to chance. Worst case scenario you have to do 200 rolls to pity for the UR, costing you 400 cubes and 300,000 gold. If you have 300,000 gold to spend on gacha, you almost certainly have the resources to retrofit an Elite into an SR. Which again, is something that will always be available. I can't believe you're complaining that it might take days to finish a retrofit.

Unless you're a brandspanking new player, you definitely have T3 plans just lying around. If you've been playing for over a month, unless you're just not doing hardmode every day (in which case, why??), T3 plans are not going to be a limiting factor. You can also get them from various other sources, such as the medal shop and side missions.

Plates are also available in abundance, and purchaseable.

I don't care if they release more URs, or more retrofits, I'm not hindered in either case, but you're crazy if you think that retros are some nigh impossible accomplishment for the average player.

I’ve been playing for years, I log in and do hard move everyday and I never have T3 blueprints and I’m not gonna waste 100 medals just to get one. And I never said that is not an impossible thing to get, I say they’re annoying and not as good as a UR, which is not a crazy thing to say. And the reason I even had the anecdote is to say and multiple people would agree, if you you play everyday and do what you’re supposed to, it’s reasonable to say you could get an event UR. Retrofits can be good, but I’d rather put those recourses into research ships, is that so crazy? While Azur Lane gacha, it has way better rates than other games. This isn’t Genshin Impact and just playing the game is bound to get you a UR event ship. Retrofits just drain resources that I don’t view as getting adequate returns for the investment. My question is why are you arguing for an SR Yorktown retrofit over a new UR ship that isn’t even the same ship as CV-5 Yorktown? Also Garrus, yeah Virgil was being an asshole, I said Toxic because of just enjoying a new ship he’s complaining about it even though people out hard work into it.

Panzerkampf00 said:

I’ve been playing for years, I log in and do hard move everyday and I never have T3 blueprints and I’m not gonna waste 100 medals just to get one.

Sounds fake. I've been playing since launch, I've completed every retro and am only missing two research ships. I have over 100 of each type of T3 blueprint. I've never needed to buy them from the medal shop. I only listed it as an option. I can't even remember the last time I was concerned by my T3 blueprint count.

My question is why are you arguing for an SR Yorktown retrofit over a new UR ship that isn’t even the same ship as CV-5 Yorktown?
Also Garrus, yeah Virgil was being an asshole, I said Toxic because of just enjoying a new ship he’s complaining about it even though people out hard work into it.

To begin with, I'm not arguing for or against anything; I'm challenging your poorly argued assertion that retros are burdensome on a player's resources, which they're not. If I were, though, I would point out that that is literally just the original AL Yorktown with fancier rigging. It may be a different ship, but it sure looks like the same character to me.

As for being "toxic", well, first of all, I never complained about anything. Don't put words in my mouth. Second, expressing opinions and criticism is not inherently toxic. No one is obligated to like this new ship, I don't care how much work went into it. Third, if anyone is being toxic here, it's you, Mr. "Makes an account just to attack other users who aren't doing anything wrong". Practice what you preach.

First off I have been playing for over ~900 days and I am always low on recourses.

Second, while it might look the same we have no idea the personality. Wouldn’t it make sense for ships that are named after others be similar?

Third, they can be, you’ve been playing since launch so you are probably pretty comfortable in your recourses. For players that haven’t been, there is so much to focus on and spend on that recourses are very much stretched thin, so just rolling is way better than investing.

Fourth, I had another account on here I just forgot the password, which doesn’t even matter. I came here to debate against shitty opinions. Maybe I was impulsive at the beginning but I’ve mellowed out.

Fifth, “Don’t put words in my mouth”? You literally did that to me. “ you're crazy if you think that retros are some nigh impossible accomplishment for the average player.” Where did I say that?? How about you practice what you preach.

Sixth: “No one is obligated to like this new ship, I don't care how much work went into it.” The first part I can agree with but the second half is so entitled. Someone put hours of their life into it and you’re here upset that is wasn’t a retrofit. And I’m not assuming that, if you didn’t believe in it, you wouldn’t be here arguing about it

Should have been a retrofit? That's not how retrofits work. Retrofits are upgrades to existing ships. The original ships in this event are all destroyed and are at the bottom of the ocean. These are all new ships in a new ship class with coincidentally the same name as the previous ships. The only reason they look the same is because the commander has a certain image associated with the names of each ship.

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Keep disliking my comments, doesn’t make the last post I said undue.

Cheeselord said:

Should have been a retrofit? That's not how retrofits work. Retrofits are upgrades to existing ships. The original ships in this event are all destroyed and are at the bottom of the ocean. These are all new ships in a new ship class with coincidentally the same name as the previous ships. The only reason they look the same is because the commander has a certain image associated with the names of each ship.

That argument doesn't hold water when you consider the number of in-game ships that already have retros, but didn't get one IRL (like Juneau and Helena).
It maybe be more realistic to give Yorktown a new form rather than just a retrofit, but as any video game fan will tell you, realistic does not equal fun.

Kirboh said:

That argument doesn't hold water when you consider the number of in-game ships that already have retros, but didn't get one IRL (like Juneau and Helena).
It maybe be more realistic to give Yorktown a new form rather than just a retrofit, but as any video game fan will tell you, realistic does not equal fun.

Giving ships a retrofit that never got one in real life is not an issue. In the end their hull number is still the same. These "name II" ships have different hull numbers compared to the old one (Yorktown II being CV-10 rather than CV-5, Hornet II being CV-12 rather than CV-8, Hammann II being DE-131 rather than DD-412, etc). If Yorktown was given a retrofit, she wouldn't be an Essex-class carrier, she would just be a retrofitted Yorktown class which is not the same. Oh, speaking of retrofits, Hammann already has one. Would you suggest she has a second retrofit only to become smaller, have one less engine and less armaments with a focus on anti-sub warfare?

Yorktown got a fancy new skin from cruise pass.
Yorktown META soon(TM).
And now, Essex-class Yorktown is announced.

Life is good.

kerosenedrinker said:

Yorktown got a fancy new skin from cruise pass.
Yorktown META soon(TM).
And now, Essex-class Yorktown is announced.

Life is good.

And she's got quite a spicy swimsuit skin too.

Kirboh said:

That argument doesn't hold water when you consider the number of in-game ships that already have retros, but didn't get one IRL (like Juneau and Helena).
It maybe be more realistic to give Yorktown a new form rather than just a retrofit, but as any video game fan will tell you, realistic does not equal fun.

As far as I know, Juneau and Helena are still the same hull code Juneau and Helena.

All this event does is answer a question I've had since the game launched. "What will they do with the Eagle girls once they get to the point that the United States starting recycling names of lost ships?"

So...lemme get this straight: this is shipgirl CV-5 Yorktown, with CV-10 Yorktown rigging. Shouldn't she be a different person? I know that in the campaign mode she sinks, so we've got a resurrection thing going here, and IIRC she's wounded in the original anime...

Kirboh said:

This should've been a retrofit. Why has Manjuu been putting out fewer and fewer retrofits lately?

Because you don't retrofit a Yorktown class into an Essex class. Their intention is the original Kansen taking on new riggings representing ships that took on their names reflecting what happened irl when the Essex class Yorktown was named as such after the Yorktown class Yorktown sunk. Retrofits work in other scenarios, just not in this case

ForzaRain said:

Event seems kinda like, everything is recycled. Except Northampton unless I missed someone. Just sad to see a UR event kinda wasted like this. Even I can do better on different programs. This is .... More or less copy paste and change some clothes up 😞

Something tells me no one reads history here.... This copy and pasting works because in WWII, when building the Essex class carriers, 2 of them were renamed to Yorktown and Hornet to honor the Yorktown class carriers. In the context of Azur Lane, it's the Kansen taking on a completely new rigging to symbolise the Essex class ships taking on the mantle of the Yorktown class ships they were named after. You can accuse Manjuu of alot of things, lazy isn't one of them as their choice to implement the girls in this upcoming event shows that they have done their research when it came to WWII naval history as this addresses the issue of what happens when they want to add a ship which inherited their name from a ship that had sunk.

Nippon_Senkan_Yamato said:

Something tells me no one reads history here.... This copy and pasting works because in WWII, when building the Essex class carriers, 2 of them were renamed to Yorktown and Hornet to honor the Yorktown class carriers. In the context of Azur Lane, it's the Kansen taking on a completely new rigging to symbolise the Essex class ships taking on the mantle of the Yorktown class ships they were named after. You can accuse Manjuu of alot of things, lazy isn't one of them as their choice to implement the girls in this upcoming event shows that they have done their research when it came to WWII naval history as this addresses the issue of what happens when they want to add a ship which inherited their name from a ship that had sunk.

So, taking a ship that has its own hull, its own crew, its own accomplishments, its own history, and just slapping the OG Yorktown with a outfit and rigging that doesn't even match the established class in game is respecting history? No, this seems like Manjuu being super lazy.

Laferno1 said:

So, taking a ship that has its own hull, its own crew, its own accomplishments, its own history, and just slapping the OG Yorktown with a outfit and rigging that doesn't even match the established class in game is respecting history? No, this seems like Manjuu being super lazy.

Because in case you missed it, the Essex class Yorktown and Hornet were originally not named as such. Specifically for Yorktown, she was originally named Bonhomme Richard and for Hornet, Kearsage. They were renamed to Yorktown and Hornet to honor the carriers that sunk. In Azur Lane, they chose to have the Yorktown class Kansen take on Essex class riggings to symbolise that fact. Just because you are blind and can't see it doesn't mean they are lazy.

Nippon_Senkan_Yamato said:

Because in case you missed it, the Essex class Yorktown and Hornet were originally not named as such. Specifically for Yorktown, she was originally named Bonhomme Richard and for Hornet, Kearsage. They were renamed to Yorktown and Hornet to honor the carriers that sunk. In Azur Lane, they chose to have the Yorktown class Kansen take on Essex class riggings to symbolise that fact. Just because you are blind and can't see it doesn't mean they are lazy.

But that's the opposite of what happened. If a new ship wanted to honor their sunk predecessors, they would have the *new* ship (a different girl) take the equipment or something that symbolized the lost shipgirl, not the other way around.

Representing a completely new and different ship as the same girl, with just slightly different clothes just because they have the same name makes no sense. It's like, if I wanted to honor my dead father, instead of just taking his name, I suddenly became an exact copy of him, and all my previous personality and appearance got replaced. That's just completely disregarding the history of the different ship to improve the performance of an old powercrept ship that could have just as easily been a retrofit, as was pointed out before.

indexador2 said:

But that's the opposite of what happened. If a new ship wanted to honor their sunk predecessors, they would have the *new* ship (a different girl) take the equipment or something that symbolized the lost shipgirl, not the other way around.

Representing a completely new and different ship as the same girl, with just slightly different clothes just because they have the same name makes no sense. It's like, if I wanted to honor my dead father, instead of just taking his name, I suddenly became an exact copy of him, and all my previous personality and appearance got replaced. That's just completely disregarding the history of the different ship to improve the performance of an old powercrept ship that could have just as easily been a retrofit, as was pointed out before.

Again, they renamed 2 Essex class carriers that already had planned names to the names of the 2 sunk Yorktown class as there is the intent for these new ships to carry on the fight that their predecessors whom they inherited their names from have left behind.
There is also the fact that the IJN frequently second guessed themselves when it came to dealing with the newer Yorktown and Hornet because it's confusing as heck fighting a ship that you supposedly sank.

Manjuu absolutely can represent that History as the same characters taking on completely new riggings. It can't be a retrofit because you can't turn a Yorktown class into an Essex class by a mere retrofit because a retrofit is meant to represent planned refits for ships irl. Their hull numbers don't change as a result of a retrofit.

Also since you claim it is such a bad idea, how about you share how you would implement ships who have inherited names from a predecessor while having both Predecessor and Successor existing at the same time?

Nippon_Senkan_Yamato said:

Also since you claim it is such a bad idea, how about you share how you would implement ships who have inherited names from a predecessor while having both Predecessor and Successor existing at the same time?

Oh, I don't know, how about just having them be different girls? Is having different ships be represented by different girls such a hard concept to grasp?

Nippon_Senkan_Yamato said:

Manjuu absolutely can represent that History as the same characters taking on completely new riggings. It can't be a retrofit because you can't turn a Yorktown class into an Essex class by a mere retrofit because a retrofit is meant to represent planned refits for ships irl. Their hull numbers don't change as a result of a retrofit.

No they're not. Never have they been. Several girls have retros despite never getting them irl.

No one's saying Yorktown should've retrofitted into an Essex class, they're saying that if they wanted to make OG Yorktown more relevant, they should've given her a retro, and then just release an entirely separate ship that isn't just OG Yorktown with new rigging.

Yorktown looks fantastic here, and I am well aware that it's an unpopular opinion atm

RhythmicApogee said:

Yorktown looks fantastic here, and I am well aware that it's an unpopular opinion atm

On the contrary, most people consider this design and change in artist as fantastic, the problem is that it's not a design for a retrofit for Yorktown(CV-5), it's a design for Yorktown(CV-10). A lot of people don't like Manjuu recycling characters for a completely different ship regardless of their names, and this might be setting a ugly precedence where Mk.2 versions of ship girls might start being implemented to fill dock space regardless if they have a successor to their name or not. An example being Bismarck II, the hypothetical FDG class version. We have METAs and things like Muse for that already.

RhythmicApogee said:

Yorktown looks fantastic here, and I am well aware that it's an unpopular opinion atm

The thing that many people don't like about the design is that it breaks the Essex class design continuity.

blindVigil said:

No they're not. Never have they been. Several girls have retros despite never getting them irl.

No one's saying Yorktown should've retrofitted into an Essex class, they're saying that if they wanted to make OG Yorktown more relevant, they should've given her a retro, and then just release an entirely separate ship that isn't just OG Yorktown with new rigging.

You clearly missed the word planned. And in cases where the specific ships didn't get a refit irl, they are usually based on those that their sisters got irl.

As for what you suggested, it works... If you are talking about a new ship inheriting that name decades apart. Like the new Type 26 Frigate HMS Belfast, but that also necessitated Belfast to add the affix "(1938)" to avoid confusion.
Whereas the Essex class Yorktown and Hornet were commissioned during the same war they sunk, it's established that the IJN were confused by them because they thought they were fighting ships that they had sunk. Taking all that into account. I don't believe making completely new ship girls for them are appropriate

So how much of EN is really up in arms about recycling previous girls into new ship classes? Chinese and Japanese servers too for that matter? Depending on the amount there may be weight behind the backlash.

Searchwanted said:

So how much of EN is really up in arms about recycling previous girls into new ship classes? Chinese and Japanese servers too for that matter? Depending on the amount there may be weight behind the backlash.

I only really pay attention to JP and EN cause JP is the server I actually play on and EN because it's my main language. So far between the 2, it seems the only people actually raging on the Azur Lane JP twitter are EN players... The JP comments seem to be pretty calm about it. In fact quite a significant portion of the comments by JP Players seem to be positive

Nippon_Senkan_Yamato said:
As for what you suggested, it works... If you are talking about a new ship inheriting that name decades apart. Like the new Type 26 Frigate HMS Belfast, but that also necessitated Belfast to add the affix "(1938)" to avoid confusion.

Whereas the Essex class Yorktown and Hornet were commissioned during the same war they sunk, it's established that the IJN were confused by them because they thought they were fighting ships that they had sunk. Taking all that into account. I don't believe making completely new ship girls for them are appropriate

So let me ask you this then:

Is the Yorktown that had fought alongside Enterprise in the early days of the war, the same Yorktown that had performed Anti-Submarine Warfare in the Gulf of Tonkin?

Is the Yorktown that had fought and sunk at the Battle of Midway, the same Yorktown that now rests at Patriot's Point?

Is the Hornet that launched the Doolittle Raid the same Hornet that would fight in the Battle of the Philippine Sea?

Is the Hornet that fought and sank at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, the same Hornet that would retrieve Apollo 11 after their splashdown?

Is the Laffey that fought off Hiei, the same Laffey who swore off Okinawa that she would never abandon ship as long as a single gun will fire?

In alternate scenario, or within the context of the game itself, it doesn't make sense to make a wholly new ship, but when you consider that both Essex Versions of Hornet and Yorktown have served on for many years, including both Korean and Vietnam Wars with their own experiences colored after said wars. Having the old Yorktown take the Rigging of the new ones would be a disservice to the ships and the histories that they have earned through their own Merit.

JOHNfreedom1234 said:

So let me ask you this then:

Is the Yorktown that had fought alongside Enterprise in the early days of the war, the same Yorktown that had performed Anti-Submarine Warfare in the Gulf of Tonkin?

Is the Yorktown that had fought and sunk at the Battle of Midway, the same Yorktown that now rests at Patriot's Point?

Is the Hornet that launched the Doolittle Raid the same Hornet that would fight in the Battle of the Philippine Sea?

Is the Hornet that fought and sank at the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, the same Hornet that would retrieve Apollo 11 after their splashdown?

Is the Laffey that fought off Hiei, the same Laffey who swore off Okinawa that she would never abandon ship as long as a single gun will fire?

In alternate scenario, or within the context of the game itself, it doesn't make sense to make a wholly new ship, but when you consider that both Essex Versions of Hornet and Yorktown have served on for many years, including both Korean and Vietnam Wars with their own experiences colored after said wars. Having the old Yorktown take the Rigging of the new ones would be a disservice to the ships and the histories that they have earned through their own Merit.

I am obviously not saying that they are. I listed out their hull numbers for a reason. However most of the development for Azur Lane is being done in Japan nowadays instead of merely at their head office in Shanghai. Which means the Japanese perspective of certain events in WWII and parts of their culture will likely influence how they implement them.

As I have mentioned before, there have been occasions that the IJN confused CV-10 and CV-12 for CV-5 and CV-8. Which may influence their decision to take the Kansen for CV-5 and CV-8 and upgrade them to their Essex class successors. Also there is the fact that CV-10 and CV-12 originally had their own names. Bonhomme Richard and Kearsage. By renaming them to honor CV-5 and CV-8 you can interpret it as the erasure of their original identities to take on a role as Successor to CV-5 and CV-8.

For the cultural aspect there is of course the matter that in Japan, the concept of shop girls have existed far before the modern times. There was a poster in the 30s depicting 3 cruise ships as girls. Not surprising as Shintoism does have a belief that anything made unique has a soul/spirit and ships are unique objects. Even between sister ships there are plenty of differences setting them apart. As cruel it may be, perhaps the Devs interpretation of the renaming of CV-10 and CV-12 is the erasure of their own identites to be replaced with that of the original Yorktown and Hornet. That's kind of how I viewed it historically as well. The name Bonhomme Richard was eventually used for their sister ship and then LHD-6 whereas the name Kearsage didn't see use again until LHD-3 came to be.

Nippon_Senkan_Yamato said:
For the cultural aspect there is of course the matter that in Japan, the concept of shop girls have existed far before the modern times. There was a poster in the 30s depicting 3 cruise ships as girls. Not surprising as Shintoism does have a belief that anything made unique has a soul/spirit and ships are unique objects. Even between sister ships there are plenty of differences setting them apart. As cruel it may be, perhaps the Devs interpretation of the renaming of CV-10 and CV-12 is the erasure of their own identites to be replaced with that of the original Yorktown and Hornet. That's kind of how I viewed it historically as well. The name Bonhomme Richard was eventually used for their sister ship and then LHD-6 whereas the name Kearsage didn't see use again until LHD-3 came to be.

That's an imbecilic interpretation.

I have the same name as my Father, Grandfather, and Great Grandfather each of us in term specifically named in honor of the former. Are we all the same person too? This is lazy and absurdly disrespectful to ships whose service lives long eclipsed their namesakes and who continue to exist even today. That later bit alone is enough to call this incredibly stupid, two of the only ships of that era that actually still exist, that you can go out and stand on the deck of... reduced to glorified fucking skins, never to be represented in any meaningful way.

Disgraceful.

It's all the worse because while I realize they really don't care much about it frankly the story telling and character interaction potential of new ships with old names is so much more diverse and interesting. While this nonsense offers literally nothing, because they're the same characters with a new skin.

So... does this mean all Yorktowns are the same Yorktown, even the Guided-Missile Cruiser that hooked herself up to a bunch of Windows NT computers and then divided by zero?

Does this mean that Enterprise remembers everything from defecting from the Royal Navy during the Revolutionary War to firing the first shots of the Barbary Wars to starring in Top Gun?

The two people arguing might have not been playing the game at all, since there is a reason in lore why Yorktown became a new unit, with Type II rigging, with wider implications in the game lore, which hasn't been following the real history for quite a while.
I guess for those who are very hardcore purists to naval history, Yorktown CV-10 being a different unit is a big slap to the face, but personally for me it I like the Ship II idea. In the end, it's just a game after all.