More like nice knowing you Star Destroyer... they can barely shoot down one-manned fighters, how can their turbolasers possibly hope to shoot down an extremely quick and nimble human/youkai?
That thing is packing immense amounts of armour, starship-grade shields and has a main battery with power output in terrawats. Why the hell should it shoot down one small target if it can turn everything around her into a molten glass parking lot? Something like "going Utsuho on someone's ass", but on a huge scale. So yeah - nice knowing you, Gensokyo.
DebeliMacak said: That thing is packing immense amounts of armour, starship-grade shields and has a main battery with power output in terrawats.
Reimu has beaten the shit out of a youkai whose power keeps a whole alternate reality in existence, survived having thousand suns thrown at her, and defeated multiple Gods.
Her plot armor output is in yottawatts, a mere Star Destroyer is smalltime.
krisslanza said: More like nice knowing you Star Destroyer... they can barely shoot down one-manned fighters, how can their turbolasers possibly hope to shoot down an extremely quick and nimble human/youkai?
And that's not even accounting the girls' small hitbox. I can imagine the mass hysteria happening amongst the stormtroopers manning the turrets when they saw Reimu shrugging off a direct turbolaser hit to the face.
Astana said: And that's not even accounting the girls' small hitbox. I can imagine the mass hysteria happening amongst the stormtroopers manning the turrets when they saw Reimu shrugging off a direct turbolaser hit to the face.
Are you insinuating that the storm troopers could actually hit something?
Yuu_Inohara said: Are you insinuating that the storm troopers could actually hit something?
Sarcasm aside, Stromtroopers were actually a pretty good military force. During the series, they managed to achieve some really impressive victories, also, the special forces kicked ass. The "stormtrooper effect" thing is all fun and games, but apparently only happens while fighting the main characters.
That being said, it's about time to say "good night" to the ship and its crew.
The Stormtroopers actually were really effective against most opposition lacking plot armor. But given that Reimu has survived the ire of demon lords and war gods, I vaguely pity that unsuspecting crew.
Maybe Reimu is beat up gods and such things... But just one shoot of turbolaser vaporise half of Gensokyo. Because Empire most likely don't know about spellcard rules. And even if Reimu can get in this thing and neutralize all crew... Just imagine what happens when this ship crash. Srsly, leave this thing alone, Reimu. =)
Wow the Touhou wank here is... impressive. given that Star Destroyer laughs off nuclear bombs and can reduce the entire surface of a planet to molten rock in a finite time period. I have to really question what exactly 99% of the Touhou characters could hope to do to it. Only some of the really wanky powers if used very quickly and perfectly could stop it. Yukari is probably the most likely as she should be able to simply gap inside and break something important.
Other then that though attacking form the outside will be laughably ineffective, nothing we've seen will get past the shields.
Keep in mind this is the product of a civilization that built a moon sized space station that could instantly vaporize a planet lost it and then JUST BUILT ANOTHER EVEN BIGGER ONE IN A MATTER OF A FEW YEARS AT MOST(among other insanity). Star Wars technology pretty much is magic in it's own right.
Robert3186 said: Only some of the really wanky powers if used very quickly and perfectly could stop it.
Yukari (Gap away the propulsion -> watch nice fireworks.) Reimu (...given the output.) Marisa (Master Spark, more than an ordinary laser) Yuuka (dtto) Flandre (oh snap) Mokou (Immortal + ex-boss output) Hina (why attack it, make them fail every thing they touch) Kaguya (Probably. Immortal much?) Kanako (Probably. God of War much?) Keine (eat the history of shields and weaponry being built) Nitori (Nice LOIC, nitori... ah, where is the Destroyer?) Reisen (Make them go nuts, smash it into the nearest hill) Remi (Fate manipulation) Sakuya (fuck yes stealth sabotage) Satori (predict attacks, exploit weak spots) Suika (crumple it up and throw away) Suwako (probably - ex-boss output) Tenshi (Shields against keystones? Asteroid field, ahem.) Utsuho (Destroyer against suns? Sure.) Toyohime / Yorihime (Damn cheaters.) Yuugi (dtto with Suika) Yuyuko (Just kill them all, watch fireworks.) Sanae (Probably. Miracles... destruction of DS anyone?)
Gee. Why does it always have to be a battle? There are other more fun things to do. Like Sith warrior and Youmu having a sparring match. Or Nitori helping power up the Death Star oputput.
Sigfried666 said: Gee. Why does it always have to be a battle? There are other more fun things to do. Like Sith warrior and Youmu having a sparring match. Or Nitori helping power up the Death Star oputput.
Sigfried666 said: Gee. Why does it always have to be a battle? There are other more fun things to do. Like Sith warrior and Youmu having a sparring match. Or Nitori helping power up the Death Star oputput.
I'd love to see Yukari and Vader have a leisure chat over a cup of tea.
Robert3186 said: Wow the Touhou wank here is... impressive. given that Star Destroyer laughs off nuclear bombs and can reduce the entire surface of a planet to molten rock in a finite time period. I have to really question what exactly 99% of the Touhou characters could hope to do to it. Only some of the really wanky powers if used very quickly and perfectly could stop it. Yukari is probably the most likely as she should be able to simply gap inside and break something important.
Other then that though attacking form the outside will be laughably ineffective, nothing we've seen will get past the shields.
Keep in mind this is the product of a civilization that built a moon sized space station that could instantly vaporize a planet lost it and then JUST BUILT ANOTHER EVEN BIGGER ONE IN A MATTER OF A FEW YEARS AT MOST(among other insanity). Star Wars technology pretty much is magic in it's own right.
Yeah, just the wankiest powers, like "disintigrate almost any physical object", "complete immortality", or, my personal favorite "generate SUNS and THROW THEM AT PEOPLE"
However, it's not even a matter of matching firepower with firepower. Let's take a new spin on an old favorite:
General Yukari: The battle station is heavily shielded and carries a firepower greater than half Gensokyo. It's defenses are designed around a direct, large-scale LASER. A small girl should be able to penetrate the outer defense. Reisen: Pardon me for asking, sir, but what good are regular danmaku going to be against that? General Yukari: Well, the Empire doesn't consider a small girl to be any threat, or they'd have a tighter defense. An analysis of the plans provided by Princess Kaguya has demonstrated a weakness in the battle station. But the approach will not be easy. You are required to maneuver straight down this trench and skim the surface to this point. The target area is only two pixels wide. It's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the hitbox. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which should destroy the station. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so you'll have to use spellcards. Sanae: That's impossible! Even for a homing shot! Reimu: It's not impossible. I used to bullseye baby kedama with my piercing needle back home, they're not much bigger than two pixels. General Yukari: Then collect your powerups. And may the plot hax be with you.
Even in Star Wars, much of the action involves small fighters piloted by a squadron of absurdly skilled or lucky pilots routinely posing credible threats to massive battleships that never seem capable of hitting them. (And the modern-day analogue of naval combat doesn't make that unrealistic, except in the number of fighters it takes, either.) Then there's that little scene where the Millineum Falcon can hide from all sensors simply by docking on a Star Destroyer. If all a Touhoe has to do is stand on the thing, and they can't be seen anymore...
Basically, it's just a matter of whether or not a Touhoe can get inside one of these things, and open a door for the others, or just punch a hole in the side.
And remember, these girls can teleport, insubstantiate, alter their size, have superstrength, and have access to LASER.
ONCE they get inside, the vaunted power of a Star Destroyer is useless, you just have a bunch of Stormtroopers shooting at a single girl who has many, many years experience dodging hundreds of lasers flying at her all at once. And those shots stormtroopers fire are not terribly fast, at that. Basically, once someone gets inside those stormtroopers are gonna get raped drink tea with Reimu.
Well, in battle "magic vs technic" magic is always stronger. But if you get into it and starts exterminate it crew, ship will simple crash. And, then, it EXPLODE (They always explode). And i think explosion of entire ship is a more stronger than shot of turbolaser.
darth_biomech said: Well, in battle "magic vs technic" magic is always stronger. But if you get into it and starts exterminate it crew, ship will simple crash. And, then, it EXPLODE (They always explode). And i think explosion of entire ship is a more stronger than shot of turbolaser.
Extermination and death are not synonymous in Gensokyo. It's more like Nanoha style befriending.
Gensoukyou-style befriending isn't all that different. It's pretty much Reimu kicking the shit out of someone, then going, "You lost, so you're my bitch. Now sit down, shut up, and drink your goddamned tea."
sgcdonmai said: Gensoukyou-style befriending isn't all that different. It's pretty much Reimu kicking the shit out of someone, then going, "You lost, so you're my bitch. Now sit down, shut up, and drink your goddamned tea."
darth_biomech said: Well, in battle "magic vs technic" magic is always stronger.
Not always and sufficiently advanced technology is nearly indistinguishable from magic.
Yes they could take it out if Yukari gapped known killers like Yuuka and Flan into key areas of the ship. But if the Empire decided to send more ships it'll be Bambi vs Godzilla.
Even the Lunarians would be a fairly weak power compared to the empire. They don't need a death star to turn a planet's surface into slag. Just three ISDs or one Super ISD can do that. The Death star was more a terror weapon and for dealing with shielded planets like Alderaan you could not simply nuke from orbit. http://stardestroyer.net/mrwong/wiki/index.php/Planetary_shield Plus the planet being gone is more generally terrifying then it being turned into something like Mars as they can fix the latter. Naboo for example is a terraformed rock.
Oh, wow, it never crossed my mind that there really is no need for battle. I really like that option. Reimu will just invite 47000 people to a tea party. And someone will probably donate a credit or two. :3
Uhh... a little question here. Can a Star Destroyer even do atmospheric flight? Seems that the craft is not intended to be used in the atmosphere, AFAIK.
It can; they just usually prefer not to, as being inside a planet's gravity well prevents them from jumping to hyperspace. Also, the closer to the center of a gravity well one gets, the more energy and time must be expended to leave it.
sirka said: I think so. At least the ones shown in Attack of the Clones could.
Jesus, I can't believe I'm getting into this...
The ones in Attack of the Clones were Acclamator-class assault ships; they and the Victory-class star destroyers could do atmospheric flight. The most common ones seen in the movies were the Imperator-class, which couldn't, though they did look very much like larger versions of the Victory.
That said, that Star Destroyer was drawn with too little attention to detail for me to figure out class; it's got too many engines and the bridge is the wrong shape.
Star Destroyer probably doesn't know where the fuck it is. It tries to level Gensokyo, it fails because nothing bad happens in Gensokyo, and the crew has tea at Reimu's. Good end.
krisslanza said: More like nice knowing you Star Destroyer... they can barely shoot down one-manned fighters, how can their turbolasers possibly hope to shoot down an extremely quick and nimble human/youkai?
...you've never actually played games like X-Wing and TIE-Fighter, have you?
In the games, there's no such thing as plot armour, and getting within proper firing range of any hostile capital ship is suicide no matter *how* nimble your starfighter is - even if it's one of those broken-as-hell TIE Defenders.
Then there's the fact that Star Destroyers always have a few squadrons of starfighters on board, and while TIE Fighters are still cannon fodder by default, TIE Interceptors and Assault Gunboats can actually put up a fight - nevermind the TIE Advanced, which was specifically designed to hunt down other starfighters.
And a third thing that's guaranteed to come as a nasty suprise to Reimu are those homing missiles that both capital ships and most starfighters use against other starfighters and warheads - when regular Danmaku misses you, it usually doesn't turn around and litterally come back to bite you in the ass. Concussion Missiles, on the other hand...
.. Anyway, assuming for a minute that this confrontation will not involve any plot devices or plot armour on either side, it'll depend on who shoots first and *when* people start shooting.
If the Imperials shoot first as soon as Reimu gets in range, she's dead, plain and simple - Reimu is used to going up against youkai etc. who play by the rules of danmaku (and remember, danmaku is about non-lethal, close range duels that are mostly for show anyway), and whilst she propably knows how to handle youkai that *don't* play by the rules, I really don't think that she'd be prepared for turbolasers that can evaporate entire fortresses from several kilometres away. She'd simply be dead before she even knows what's going on.
But if the Imperials do nothing and Reimu attacks them first, she's guaranteed to do a lot of damage (especially if she manages to get inside of the ship), simply because the Imperials lack the training or countermeasures to go up against spells and invocations. I still don't think she'd be able to destroy the Star Destroyer directly, though - Reimu's abilities are designed for countering and sealing youkai, not destroying mile-long flying battleships.
She could, of course, disrupt the SD's main generator or fly it into the ground - though that would propably end in a major disaster for all of Gensokyo rather than a proper victory for Reimu.
And, like a few people already said; there's no guarantee that this will actually lead to any real violence or destruction.
I mean - odds are our lovable red-white miko here does not have the faintest clue what this Star Destroyer could be - she's propably just curious about the whole thing, and she might just consider this to be another mysterious flying treasure ship.
Likewise, the Star Destroyer's crew aren't very likely to recognize a teenage flying girl in strange bright clothes as a threat.
She might just fly into the SD's hangar bay, and while there's a chance that the local stormtroopers will immediately start firing at her, it's just as possible that they'll consider the whole thing to be so weird that they'll just say "erm, excuse me miss - you're not really supposed to come here".
Things could still go downhill from there, of course - but they could just as well end in a completely non-violent way, varying from Reimu saying "huh, so this is just a flying ship full of non-magical humans from the outside world, and not Nue, Yukari, or those shifty moonpeople screwing around again? - I'm off, then. I still got cleaning to do around the shrine" to the entire SD's crew visiting the shrine.
To all doubters: This is Gensokyo, where beings are powered by the disbelief of the outside, so your lack of faith in her ability to beat the Star Destroyer will ENSURE her victory.
RNGCombo said: To all doubters: This is Gensokyo, where beings are powered by the disbelief of the outside, so your lack of faith in her ability to beat the Star Destroyer will ENSURE her victory.
...I'm siding with Reimu here and that's still a stupid argument.
The spellcard rules force things to be nonlethal. It works by manipulating the borders of combat and battle. If Reimu declared it a spellcard battle, as long as the ship was inside Gensokyo, they'd be stuck playing by the rules. So basically: Outside? Border hax no longer apply and they vaporize her. Inside? Those poor stormtroopers... At least they'll get tea afterwards. =3
RanEx said: ...you've never actually played games like X-Wing and TIE-Fighter, have you?
In the games, there's no such thing as plot armour, and getting within proper firing range of any hostile capital ship is suicide no matter *how* nimble your starfighter is - even if it's one of those broken-as-hell TIE Defenders.
Actually, if my memories of X-Wing Alliance are any guide, in order to defeat a Star Destroyer, all you need is the ability to fire at the Star Destroyer without facing directly at it, and you can literally just jiggle the joystick, and evade all fire for the 2-3 hours it takes to eventually plink through their armor.
I actually took out a Star Destroyer just by tilinting the stick JUST SO while flying the Millineum Falcon knock-off ship of that title's main character, so that I had auto-firing turrets attacking the Star Destroyer, and I was going in a perfect circle around the Star Destroyer. I left and watched some TV or something. When I came back, I had never been hit, the Star Destroyer had at some point been destroyed by my masterful flying skills.
(The game had the critical flaw of only firing shots exactly where you would be if you were flying at the same speed in a straight line - any curve in your flight path meant every shot would miss forever.)
RanEx said: And a third thing that's guaranteed to come as a nasty suprise to Reimu are those homing missiles that both capital ships and most starfighters use against other starfighters and warheads - when regular Danmaku misses you, it usually doesn't turn around and litterally come back to bite you in the ass. Concussion Missiles, on the other hand...
Haven't played with those damn curly lasers in PCB, have you?
RanEx said: I really don't think that she'd be prepared for turbolasers that can evaporate entire fortresses from several kilometres away. She'd simply be dead before she even knows what's going on.
Again, you don't know Reimu. Reimu's superpower is "Intuition" AKA plothax ability to read the script and dodge anything. She'll just get "A bad feeling about this" and dodge without knowing why.
RanEx said: I still don't think she'd be able to destroy the Star Destroyer directly, though - Reimu's abilities are designed for countering and sealing youkai, not destroying mile-long flying battleships.
Not that she hasn't had a hand in destroying whole dimensions before, but that's hardly necessary - she'd just defeat every single person on board, Vader or no.
"Show Battle" that doesn't prepare you for real battle my ass, she survives Nuclear Hell Ravens throwing multiple suns and gravity wells at her, a girl who can disintigrate any physical matter at a whim, several deities, and even Yukari. Oh, right, and the first five games didn't even have spellcard systems, and she still beat Yuka... Vader's a wuss that got chopped to bits because he didn't have his +2 bonus for standing on the high ground.
Let me tell a story of a fine fellow named Starkiller, from a lil' game named Star Wars Force Unleashed. This man couldn't fly, couldn't shoot lasers, didn't have some magic nuke nor a reality altering ability. He was only equipped with a sword made out of light and psychic powers granted to him by the mysterious power of the Force.
This man managed to make a similar ship crash down by just looking at it and pushing it into the ground with only his mind.
These girls can do far more than any Jedi could ever do. Since the aforementioned man can destroy one, these girls can do so with ease.
Also note that Reimu, as stated in her Fantasy Heaven spellcard notes, can turn completely intangible. No laser could hit her. And Flandre won't even need to be inside to blow it up. It's mere case of looking at it, raising a hand, and clenching it into a fist.
But in the picture the Star Destroyer is running away.
lulz. Also,
Actually, if my memories of X-Wing Alliance are any guide, in order to defeat a Star Destroyer, all you need is the ability to fire at the Star Destroyer without facing directly at it, and you can literally just jiggle the joystick, and evade all fire for the 2-3 hours it takes to eventually plink through their armor.
I actually took out a Star Destroyer just by tilinting the stick JUST SO while flying the Millineum Falcon knock-off ship of that title's main character, so that I had auto-firing turrets attacking the Star Destroyer, and I was going in a perfect circle around the Star Destroyer. I left and watched some TV or something. When I came back, I had never been hit, the Star Destroyer had at some point been destroyed by my masterful flying skills.
(The game had the critical flaw of only firing shots exactly where you would be if you were flying at the same speed in a straight line - any curve in your flight path meant every shot would miss forever.)
Internet High Five, bro! I knew there were others out there.
Seeing that this is a normal Star Destroyer, fat chance. If it were the Avenger, that maybe a different story but not likely...
What I would really like to see is a (or fleet of) Species 8472 bioship(s), now that will be one hell of a fight (yes, brought Star Trek into this, bite me).
This thread is exactly like reading a Superman vs Goku, or Star Wars vs Star Trek debate. It's kind of pointless to compare the fictional entities of different series.
Having said that, it would be pretty cool to see a Touhou/Star Wars crossover with elements of airplane/starfighter (like Ace Combat), 1st person shooter, and danmaku all rolled into one. To keep it fair, certain game-breakers of both series would need to be excluded, or at least only act as power sources/assistants to the protagonist.
OkashiiNaito said: Also note that Reimu, as stated in her Fantasy Heaven spellcard notes, can turn completely intangible. No laser could hit her. And Flandre won't even need to be inside to blow it up. It's mere case of looking at it, raising a hand, and clenching it into a fist.
The no-limit fallacy is strong here.
Zaku_Zelo said: Star Destroyer probably doesn't know where the fuck it is. It tries to level Gensokyo, it fails because nothing bad happens in Gensokyo, and the crew has tea at Reimu's. Good end.
Uhh... a little question here. Can a Star Destroyer even do atmospheric flight? Seems that the craft is not intended to be used in the atmosphere, AFAIK.
The Victory-class Star Destroyer can. It's the largest Imperial capital ship capable of supporting itself in atmosphere using repulsorlift anti-gravity. It's actually designed specifically for entering atmo and raining turbolaser death on a city.
