Bro, not all of us in Latin American people have that skin tone, they seem more racist, forcing that all Latinos have brown skin bro
Indeed lol here on Brazil theres more white people than brown/black people lol but its Americans they are the most racist people in the world... also the art is disgusting and bad typical woke agenda.
yall do realize its not exactly completely based off latin america though, right?
It's up to Mihoyo to determine where does the Natlanders' comes from (since it's fantasy world afterall), and hence their skin colors. Anything else than the 'official art' is basically an artist's interpretation of 'what ifs' outside canon; there's no point comparing them to real world people even if their culture is based on real world counterpart.
If anything, comparing them to real world people and demanding or redrawing them to have 'correct skin color' is height of delusion.
It's up to Mihoyo to determine where does the Natlanders' comes from (since it's fantasy world afterall), and hence their skin colors. Anything else than the 'official art' is basically an artist's interpretation of 'what ifs' outside canon; there's no point comparing them to real world people even if their culture is based on real world counterpart.
If anything, comparing them to real world people and demanding or redrawing them to have 'correct skin color' is height of delusion.
Right, and names are a very clear indicator of that, if not because its kind of only what most of us have to go off of. IDK man if i saw a dude from a game with a super ethnic name and i look at them and they're the shade of a fresh sheet of paper, id be confused, if not upset. Especially since that kind of culture is rarely interpreted or added into games, i can get why, since even they cant seem to do it kind of right. I can understand both sides of the arguments, but seriously just go and bicker on twitter, its annoying seeing this kind of discourse every five fucking minutes.
Right, and names are a very clear indicator of that, if not because its kind of only what most of us have to go off of. IDK man if i saw a dude from a game with a super ethnic name and i look at them and they're the shade of a fresh sheet of paper, id be confused, if not upset. Especially since that kind of culture is rarely interpreted or added into games, i can get why, since even they cant seem to do it kind of right. I can understand both sides of the arguments, but seriously just go and bicker on twitter, its annoying seeing this kind of discourse every five fucking minutes.
Its easy to not start discussions or drama about this... just make the woke artists and USA let the DEVS do their thing, and don't go demanding changes and creating arts that dont look like the character simple as that.
Its easy to not start discussions or drama about this... just make the woke artists and USA let the DEVS do their thing, and don't go demanding changes and creating arts that dont look like the character simple as that.
but they'll still do it whether or not you like it. Getting yourself angry over shit like this seems counterproductive. Theres tons of ways to make your site experience better. Unless you want to argue. shit like alternative skin tone and alternative costume exist because of artistic choices people make.
but they'll still do it whether or not you like it. Getting yourself angry over shit like this seems counterproductive. Theres tons of ways to make your site experience better. Unless you want to argue. shit like alternative skin tone and alternative costume exist because of artistic choices people make.
Say that to the people crying and trying to boycott Mihoyo because they are not black or dark skinned lol fun fact most latinos are fine with the design but the "center of world" USA needs to cry, these types of drama are the artists fault.
Why just draw the character like they way the design is and is supposed to be to avoid drama? No is thay difficult lmao
Relax dude. Just because a minority of people make a lot of noise on social media complaining over nothing, doesn't mean we shouldn't be able enjoy gacha games. English dubbing is highly appreciated as most of us dominate that language better than Japanese and/or Chinese.
but they'll still do it whether or not you like it. Getting yourself angry over shit like this seems counterproductive. Theres tons of ways to make your site experience better. Unless you want to argue. shit like alternative skin tone and alternative costume exist because of artistic choices people make.
Lol, says the guy that also loses his shit when it's the other way around, but somehow that is not "artistic freedom", typical hypocrite.
because those situations are comepletly different. its not artistic freedom, its blatant colorism intentionally lightening a darker characters skin when its darker. youre welcome to continue screaming into a void, because im no longer responding to this thread.
I'll just put my two cents, dislike bomb all you want:
Natlan isn't 100% based on native/Latin America. That might be the MAIN cultural basis, but if you looked into the lore of Natlan you can see very obvious African references too like the historical tribal leaders of Natlan and characters like Iansan and Ororon (whose names seem to derive from West African deities). Not to mention the possibility of other characters like Mualani (who has a Hawaiian name) and Mavuika (a Maori goddess name, but they were never gonna make her look too different from Himeko for obvious reasons). It's very, very mixed. In the case of blackwashing/darkening characters' skin, I think it's totally fair to expect darker skinned people in Natlan due to how much of the region is based on influences from outside the American continents If characters from Inazuma can have lighter skin like real Japanese people, why can't we see a variety of skin tones to represent the diversity of Natlan's culture? Aside from Hoyo wanting to make the characters more marketable to the Eastern audience and other people who prefer lighter skin
And btw, vitiligo is a skin condition that is not restricted to any race, the people who draw Xilonen with this thought it would be creative to represent her jaguar motif as patchy melanin spots. I think it's neat personally. Is it realistic for a Mihoyo game? Definitely not, a cursory glance at this comments section can tell you why lol
It's very, very mixed. In the case of blackwashing/darkening characters' skin, I think it's totally fair to expect darker skinned people in Natlan due to how much of the region is based on influences from outside the American continents If characters from Inazuma can have lighter skin like real Japanese people, why can't we see a variety of skin tones to represent the diversity of Natlan's culture? Aside from Hoyo wanting to make the characters more marketable to the Eastern audience and other people who prefer lighter skin
Because there is no "africa" or "central america" in Teyvat. So expecting representatives of those cultures isn't possible since those cultures don't exist.
Bro, not all of us in Latin American people have that skin tone, they seem more racist, forcing that all Latinos have brown skin bro
It's pretty universally agreed that Natlan represents sub-Saharan Africa As for Mavuika, her name comes from the Maori deity Mahuika, a fire deity, wife of Auahitūroa
It's pretty universally agreed that Natlan represents sub-Saharan Africa As for Mavuika, her name comes from the Maori deity Mahuika, a fire deity, wife of Auahitūroa
No its not. Just because natlan is 1/2 arid grassland doent make it africa.
No its not. Just because natlan is 1/2 arid grassland doent make it africa.
And what about the fact that the Archon is from New Zealand and is obviously not latino, or the fact that there are characters named after Nigerian folk figures and deities?
And what about the fact that the Archon is from New Zealand and is obviously not latino, or the fact that there are characters named after Nigerian folk figures and deities?
The skin stuff. I just dont see the point in worrying about it. Especially in a fantasy game
so do dark skinned people just cease to exist in fantasy settings? a mormons dream, im sure. That argument doesnt hold up very strongly, honestly speaking. Some people are just tired of never feeling 'seen' in media, especially in games.
"So what" These are African characters with white skin, if you can't see an issue with that, I dunno what to tell you
These are Teyvatian Natlan characters. Their skin color can be anything Mihoyo wants. And this is a piece of fanart. The artist can choose which degree of hue they could be. If you see an issue with those two facts, kindly get a reality check.
These are Teyvatian Natlan characters. Their skin color can be anything Mihoyo wants. And this is a piece of fanart. The artist can choose which degree of hue they could be. If you see an issue with those two facts, kindly get a reality check.
Except these characters are based on real figures, deities, people What Mihoyo's doing has a few names - Appropriation and racism i have a feeling if i made King Arthur black, you wouldn't exactly have this same take for some reason, but because these are people you consider insignificant, you're comfortable brushing it aside and not caring The cultures of other civilisations aren't for us to take and bastardise, you can have other cultures represented in media tastefully and respectfully, and telling someone to "Get a reality check" because they find something that's inherently disrespectful to be disrespectful is some insane type of irony
Except these characters are based on real figures, deities, people What Mihoyo's doing has a few names - Appropriation and racism i have a feeling if i made King Arthur black, you wouldn't exactly have this same take for some reason, but because these are people you consider insignificant, you're comfortable brushing it aside and not caring The cultures of other civilisations aren't for us to take and bastardise, you can have other cultures represented in media tastefully and respectfully, and telling someone to "Get a reality check" because they find something that's inherently disrespectful to be disrespectful is some insane type of irony
Theyre entirely fictional characters its not racist or appropriation.
Because there is no "africa" or "central america" in Teyvat. So expecting representatives of those cultures isn't possible since those cultures don't exist.
Bro dumbass they literally have french words in fontaine, and its pretty obvious on what region most are based on js off of their names alone. Doesn't take rocket science to know that despite it obviously not being africa itself bc no shit, its still BASED on and INSPIRED by real world cultures. Either way this is something dumb to argue over. There are such thing as dark skinned latinos/nas and hispanic people in general. Natives Americans are dark skinned too so idk what ur trippin out ab dude. Take a quick look at Mavuikas inspiration as well as ororons and you'll know that there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the skin choice. Anyway, I rest my case feel free to tweak out ab this or not even read it but 🤷♂️
Theyre entirely fictional characters its not racist or appropriation.
Buddy. They have REAL cultural names, music, items, furnishings, and language IN THE GAME yall call "a work of fiction". Be so fr, it is racist dude and its not even just natlan. They've done it to sumeru, also. They can very easily show real appropriation in places like liyue where they have REAL LIFE CHINESE OPERA btw, real culture shocker i know but bare with me ik its alot for your small brain. Not only has hoyo been racist in genshin, they've also done it in their other games. Takes a quick google search to see exactly what theyve done but you hoyo meat riders wanna think their innocent till death do you part!!! Hope this helps
Because there is no "africa" or "central america" in Teyvat. So expecting representatives of those cultures isn't possible since those cultures don't exist.
Thats like saying theres no chinese in liyue, are u serious?
because those situations are comepletly different. its not artistic freedom, its blatant colorism intentionally lightening a darker characters skin when its darker. youre welcome to continue screaming into a void, because im no longer responding to this thread.
Proceeds to continue responding comments on this thread lol. It's the same thing, you are just trying so hard to convince yourself is not, if one is not artistic freedom, neither is the other, because is not being done for artistic porpuses, everyone who does this sort of changes to characters either do so out of predujice, or out of spite, and both are equally pathetic, but people like you are desperate to believe one is "rightfull" than the other.
Bro dumbass they literally have french words in fontaine, and its pretty obvious on what region most are based on js off of their names alone. Doesn't take rocket science to know that despite it obviously not being africa itself bc no shit, its still BASED on and INSPIRED by real world cultures. Either way this is something dumb to argue over. There are such thing as dark skinned latinos/nas and hispanic people in general. Natives Americans are dark skinned too so idk what ur trippin out ab dude. Take a quick look at Mavuikas inspiration as well as ororons and you'll know that there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the skin choice. Anyway, I rest my case feel free to tweak out ab this or not even read it but 🤷♂️
And? all works of fiction are based on real-life concepts, ideas or cultures, even if you try to make something out of your own personal mind, you'll find out it similar to X or Y cultures one way or another, and the whole of Genshin is basically a mishmash of concept, culture and ideas put together, neither Liyue, or Mondstadt or any of the regions so far are pinpoint-accurate to the cultures they take inspiration from, on top of the fact that the game doesn't happen in real life, the people of Teyvat live in what's essentially a giant, Pangea-like continent, unlike in real life in which a giant sea divided america from europe/africa/asia, so having light-skinned people that exist in Natlan is hardly far-fetched in the context to the game's world, especially if you pay attention to the lore and how at one point, they used to be a single civilization before being divided into the current nations.
Buddy. They have REAL cultural names, music, items, furnishings, and language IN THE GAME yall call "a work of fiction". Be so fr, it is racist dude and its not even just natlan. They've done it to sumeru, also. They can very easily show real appropriation in places like liyue where they have REAL LIFE CHINESE OPERA btw, real culture shocker i know but bare with me ik its alot for your small brain. Not only has hoyo been racist in genshin, they've also done it in their other games. Takes a quick google search to see exactly what theyve done but you hoyo meat riders wanna think their innocent till death do you part!!! Hope this helps
It's a work of fiction, precisely because it isn't trying to represent real people or places. Chinese players have confirmed that Liyue isn't a true accurate depiction of China, just like Mondstadt is basically every european medieval fantasy trope put together, hell, in the game's lore, the people of Sangonomiya are essential descendants of genshin's version of Rome that later asimilated into the culture of Inazuma. Just because Fontaine has some french words here and there, doesn't really mean it's a true representation of France beyond surface level. It's mostly to have a framework of concepts to keep each nation more consistent thematically.
When someone tells you there's no "africa" in the game, it means the same as telling you there's no europe or asia in genshin, because the whole history of the game's world is completely made up, and thus the circumstances that made the real world be the way it is can't be applied to a fictional setting that doesn't follow them to begin with, we only recognize it as such because of those superficial aspects we are familiar with.
Thats like saying theres no chinese in liyue, are u serious?
There's aren't chinese people in Liyue, there are Liyueans, like how there are no japanese people in Inazuma, they're Inazumians. Or how there are no english/italians in Mondstadt, they're Mondstadters.
Adhaint said:
"Entirely fictional" is a complete and utter lie, i hope you're aware
There's aren't chinese people in Liyue, there are Liyueans, like how there are no japanese people in Inazuma, they're Inazumians. Or how there are no english/italians in Mondstadt, they're Mondstadters.
How are they not fictional?
I dare you to go to Mr Mihoyo himself and say "None of your characters or regions have any inspiration from the real world" He will laugh you out of China Mavuika is meant to be Mahuika, Olorun is meant to be Ororun, Candace is meant to represent Kandake Liyue is very obviously meant to be China, the fact it holds Chinese New Year every year is a pretty big giveaway, so you're just being obtuse for the sake of remaining ignorant or your own biases (Bigotry (Racism (White supremacy)))
