this was a pointless endeavour Hereinafter, seeing as whoever flagged the first post is hellbent on taking this particular piece of art down simply because of reasons I can only assume are geared towards the artist's personal background.

some approver alluded to it being "A bit rasist-ish." I still don't know what that means.

followed by some commenter saying this "If Hitler's art is on-topic, then this is too." both comments of which has led me to assume that the artist is some type of fascist or communist figure.

I'm probably wrong, but with such determination being put towards the deletion of this particular piece I can only assume that this is personal to the flagger in some way.

edit: also, if this art is considered off-topic to so many approvers, how come you all allowed it to stay up for so long?

One or a number of you who refuse to approve it now must have come across it before yet you didn't flag it.

it is known that nearly 30 approvers viewed it and judged it not on-topic yet you're gonna tell me that the same 20+ approvers never saw it beforehand until now?

and if one of you confess that you did, why didn't you flag it?

see, it is this very approval system that knocks this "20+ approvers disapprove therefore I'll follow suit" flock mentality straight off of its tracks.

think for yourself for once, if it appeals to you, approve it.

winkywonker said:

edit: also, if this art is considered off-topic to so many approvers, how come you all allowed it to stay up for so long?

We get so many posts per day, it might've just slipped through.
You can argue the same for every flagged image. Only because it wasn't flagged for a long time doesn't mean it shouldn't be deleted. Get these strawman arguments outta here.

Btw. you make it sound like this was uploaded a "long" time ago, when it has only been 8 days.

Provence said:

We get so many posts per day, it might've just slipped through.
You can argue the same for every flagged image. Only because it wasn't flagged for a long time doesn't mean it shouldn't be deleted. Get these strawman arguments outta here.

Nevermind the insistence that "I don't want to approve it" is the same as "I think this should be flagged." An approver not being interested in approving something doesn't always mean they feel strongly enough that it should be deleted to personally flag it.

I mean, he doesn't even know that it wasn't an approver that flagged it. He just assumed it must be same the person that flagged the other one, like we don't have thousands of users capable of flagging.

Provence said:

We get so many posts per day, it might've just slipped through.

it didn't slip through otherwise it wouldn't have been approved in the first place.

Provence said:

You can argue the same for every flagged image.

not if the image is under a month old.

Provence said:

Only because it wasn't flagged for a long time doesn't mean it shouldn't be deleted. Get these strawman arguments outta here.

then what's the point in posts having to be approved to begin with? why not just concentrate on flagging the bad ones instead? anyone can flag a post after all, which would make moderation a lot easier to manage because the community can help in judging what is and isn't a quality image.

Provence said:

Btw. you make it sound like this was uploaded a "long" time ago, when it has only been 8 days.

I'm talking about the original post that's 3 months old.

winkywonker said:

it didn't slip through otherwise it wouldn't have been approved in the first place.

You're misunderstanding. This image was not approved by anyone, as some users can skip the approval queue. This is one of those cases, so it wasn't approved by anyone. Users who can do this are granted this right due to trust in their ability to upload content that normally would be approved through the queue.

GreyOmega said:

You're misunderstanding. This image was not approved by anyone, as some users can skip the approval queue. This is one of those cases, so it wasn't approved by anyone. Users who can do this are granted this right due to trust in their ability to upload content that normally would be approved through the queue.

but the child post that I uploaded was approved and it took 3 months for it to be flagged, plus, western art isn't completely barred from the site.

approver said:

I'm not the same user who flagged the child, and I don't even know who the artist is

then where were you during those 3 months? plus, many posts on this site depict nothing but soldiers in full armour fighting a battle yet you single this one out, such circumstances just seem a bit too direct for me to consider this a happenstance flagging.

winkywonker said:

then where were you during those 3 months? plus, many posts on this site depict nothing but soldiers in full armour fighting a battle yet you single this one out, such circumstances just seem a bit too direct for me to consider this a happenstance flagging.

Sometimes it needs the right person in the right time at the correct place.
Same with flags. It needs one person that points out that something looks off and asks if we should do something against that. And sometimes this can take 17 years, we still get flags of such old uploads.

Provence said:

Sometimes it needs the right person in the right time at the correct place.
Same with flags. It needs one person that points out that something looks off and asks if we should do something against that. And sometimes this can take 17 years, we still get flags of such old uploads.

which is a perfect reason why posts that are over a year old should be immune to being flagged, especially because it isn't a rank privilege and anyone not familiar with the rules of the site could do it.

flagging itself should become a rank-only privilege if approving a post is already as such, I suggest anyone ranked janitor or above should have the privilege and that any post over a year old should be given immunity from being flagged.

let the posts of each year represent the rise in quality as this site has evolved from then to now, there where at the time rules dictated that such low-quality posts were ok, to now where the rules demand more quality posts, let each era of this site bask in its particular grandeur.

I really don't understand why you're pushing so hard for this type of art to be here. Is this trolling? Being contrarian? I simply fail to see the benefit of dying on this hill.

iori98 said:

I really don't understand why you're pushing so hard for this type of art to be here. Is this trolling? Being contrarian? I simply fail to see the benefit of dying on this hill.

this is like asking a Star Wars fan why they care about Star Wars, I do it because I'm a fan of good quality art and art in general, and I don't need any other reason.

winkywonker said:

this is like asking a Star Wars fan why they care about Star Wars, I do it because I'm a fan of good quality art and art in general, and I don't need any other reason.

No, it's more like asking a Star Wars fan why they insist on posting Star Wars fanfiction in the Star Trek section of Fanfiction.net. You're obviously wrong, everyone agrees you're wrong, even the moderation has told you you're wrong, and yet you just keep doing it while repeatedly causing scenes and making a fool of yourself.

blindVigil said:

No, it's more like asking a Star Wars fan why they insist on posting Star Wars fanfiction in the Star Trek section of Fanfiction.net. You're obviously wrong, everyone agrees you're wrong, even the moderation has told you you're wrong, and yet you just keep doing it while repeatedly causing scenes and making a fool of yourself.

you are as amazing an exercise of my patience as ever Vigil, thank you for the bait, but no thanks.

winkywonker said:

you are as amazing an exercise of my patience as ever Vigil, thank you for the bait, but no thanks.

I am sure anime art isn't as welcome on a board focussing more on cartoon art.
This post here seems to contradict the goal of Danboou which is centered around anime first and foremost and second is other popular media...This art piece doesn't really fall into any category Danbooru tries to archive. Vigil is quite coorect when he says that Star Wars stuff doesn't really belong into a Star Trek forum, but you'll find that stuff in the "off-topic" threads.

Tbh. this is a farce. We really should stop feeding you with replies and move on.

Provence said:

I am sure anime art isn't as welcome on a board focussing more on cartoon art.

yet the rules of said imageboard are put to the side in favour of any approver's personal subjective opinion, case and point are my 999 approved non-anime posts.

Provence said:

This post here seems to contradict the goal of Danboou which is centered around anime first and foremost and second is other popular media

exactly, way to defeat your own argument there.

Provence said:

This art piece doesn't really fall into any category Danbooru tries to archive.

yes it does, otherwise fine art would be on the list of things prohibited on the lists shown in one of my comments under the child of this post.

Provence said:

Vigil is quite coorect when he says that Star Wars stuff doesn't really belong into a Star Trek forum

it's more like the forum accepts content from both IPs but for one reason or another the forum favours Star Trek as the primary focus and Star Wars as the secondary focus, and I'm here uploading a scan of a super rare high-quality art piece from the 70s-80s that is being denied it's approval simply because it's not Star Trek.

Provence said:

Tbh. this is a farce. We really should stop feeding you with replies and move on.

this is true more so on my part tbh, I know that trying to reason or talk sense to rule sticklers who don't know the rules and whose approval system breaks the very rules they uphold is as pointless an endeavour as talking to a brick wall, but I just can't help but let out my passion for quality art sometimes.

Your insistence on this argument would be a lot more understandable if it was like, cartoon or video game fanart or something, and not literally a 19th century painting archived on Wikimedia Commons.

Just ban this prick and get it over with.

BlastingNaba said:

Just ban this prick and get it over with.

Having opinions isn't a bannable offense. (though that doesn't mean we need to agree with the opinions put forth).

winkywonker said:

this is like asking a Star Wars fan why they care about Star Wars, I do it because I'm a fan of good quality art and art in general, and I don't need any other reason.

That's all well and good but this place isn't you're personal website and you aren't the sole user. You're part of a community that uploads art based on a very specific theme with very few exceptions. For you to consider yourself special enough and separate from that community, free to upload how you want regardless of the will of said community is some real narcissistic nonsense. Sometimes a work like this gets uploaded and no one really complains because that uploader has enough goodwill in the community that they let it slide but you don't. Your uploads aren't some one off and are instead an attempt to force feed this community your shitty taste. I'm tired of seeing it and I'm tired of reading your complaints about it so if this issue is as serious as you think it is then bring it up in the forums to discuss why danbooru should bend its rules and change it's goal in order to cater to you.

Edit: forgot to mention that most times it'll get flagged and unapproved anyway

What the fuck... what's just happened here

Trouble_Windows said:

Your insistence on this argument would be a lot more understandable if it was like, cartoon or video game fanart or something, and not literally a 19th century painting archived on Wikimedia Commons.

I believe this type of art is in the same box that cartoon & video game art is in, art is art, you shouldn't treat it any differently simply because it's old, and I uploaded the child of this post, not this one, check the source there.

Shinjidude said:

Having opinions isn't a bannable offense. (though that doesn't mean we need to agree with the opinions put forth).

thank you.

iori98 said:

For you to consider yourself special enough and separate from that community, free to upload how you want regardless of the will of said community is some real narcissistic nonsense.

not once have I said I should be put on a pedestal for my unique perspective, I believe everyone should enjoy the changes I'm vouching for not just me, and I know I'm just a user with an unpopular opinion, and I know that nothing will come from my efforts, but I believe in giving voice to new ideas is a good thing and creating conversation on these subjects can lead to change, whether for better or for worse depending on the individual.

iori98 said:

Sometimes a work like this gets uploaded and no one really complains because that uploader has enough goodwill in the community that they let it slide but you don't.

So, whether or not a post is approved is based on the goodwill of the uploader, not the approver? you're not making sense.

iori98 said:

Your uploads aren't some one off and are instead an attempt to force feed this community your shitty taste.

it's not force-feeding if it is enjoyed by everyone but you.

iori98 said:

I'm tired of seeing it and I'm tired of reading your complaints about it so if this issue is as serious as you think it is then bring it up in the forums to discuss why danbooru should bend its rules and change it's goal in order to cater to you.

ah yes, when in doubt, go to the forums, a place where circle-jerking lickspittles such as yourself can gather en mas to dogpile & shit down the throats of anyone who has an outstanding take or opinion, I'll pass thank you very much.

iori98 said:

forgot to mention that most times it'll get flagged and unapproved anyway

999 approved, and soon to be 1000.

winkywonker said:

I believe this type of art is in the same box that cartoon & video game art is in, art is art, you shouldn't treat it any differently simply because it's old, and I uploaded the child of this post, not this one, check the source there.

I know you didn't upload this post. You're still arguing about it in the comments, though.

The difference here is that Danbooru caters towards anime style artwork and artwork from media franchises, and occasionally original artwork that doesn't fall into either but appeals to the same general audience. 19th century classic paintings are not within that scope. Not every website has to be for everything in existence.

Most of your uploads get approved and are not off-topic despite their western origin because they are of media franchises that appeal to the userbase of Danbooru.

Trouble_Windows said:

I know you didn't upload this post. You're still arguing about it in the comments, though.

The difference here is that Danbooru caters towards anime style artwork and artwork from media franchises, and occasionally original artwork that doesn't fall into either but appeals to the same general audience. 19th century classic paintings are not within that scope. Not every website has to be for everything in existence.

Most of your uploads get approved and are not off-topic despite their western origin because they are of media franchises that appeal to the userbase of Danbooru.

Just give up. He doesn't know how to engage without twisting around everything said to him to try and make everyone else look wrong. It's been explained to him a dozen times how this site works, what kind of content is appropriate and what isn't, yada yada.

He knows. He knows he's wrong. He throws one of these fits at least once a month and it always ends like this. He's not going to listen, everyone's wasting their time.

e: embed fail but I think it's better at capturing the horrors of this comment section

Trouble_Windows said:

I know you didn't upload this post. You're still arguing about it in the comments, though.

The difference here is that Danbooru caters towards anime style artwork and artwork from media franchises, and occasionally original artwork that doesn't fall into either but appeals to the same general audience. 19th century classic paintings are not within that scope. Not every website has to be for everything in existence.

Most of your uploads get approved and are not off-topic despite their western origin because they are of media franchises that appeal to the userbase of Danbooru.

I've never said Danbooru should be allowed to have everything & anything, of course, we should strive for quality uploads all while respecting the past by allowing low-quality 17-year-old posts to be immune to flagging thus showing that we respect the past while striving to be better in the future, I just don't get why fine art like this isn't considered as being in the same box as alternate media that isn't anime-like like videogame and mainstream media art.

I mean, didn't the source of quality art start in the Renaissance era between the 1300s and the 1800s? and there are probably some pieces of quality art that were created even before then that we'll never see because of all the warring and genocides and the destruction of fine goods that followed such moments in history.

shouldn't we try to do all we can to preserve such art from being lost to time by at least uploading a scan of the piece on an image board site that allows quality art? this is history after all, most paintings like this are of real events that happened, should that not garner more respect than the average post?

winkywonker said:

shouldn't we try to do all we can to preserve such art from being lost to time by at least uploading a scan of the piece on an image board site that allows quality art? this is history after all, most paintings like this are of real events that happened, should that not garner more respect than the average post?

Versailles has it covered. Wikipedia has it covered. The painters that make and sell replicas have it covered. There are probably other imageboards focused on fine art that have it covered. Uploading it here only makes it marginally less likely it will be lost to time.

And even in the extremely unlikely event that Danbooru ends up with the only remaining copies in existence? Barring a major policy change, it will still stay on here for as long as the site exists. If preservation is your only concern, it shouldn't matter to you if it doesn't stay active. The only effect this will have is preventing it from showing up in searches by default. This allows users the privilege of having a curated anime-focused experience, which they can choose not to exercise at any time by toggling the option to show deleted posts in their settings or by searching for status:all or status:deleted.

Blank_User said:

Versailles has it covered. Wikipedia has it covered. The painters that make and sell replicas have it covered. There are probably other imageboards focused on fine art that have it covered. Uploading it here only makes it marginally less likely it will be lost to time.

And even in the extremely unlikely event that Danbooru ends up with the only remaining copies in existence? Barring a major policy change, it will still stay on here for as long as the site exists. If preservation is your only concern, it shouldn't matter to you if it doesn't stay active. The only effect this will have is preventing it from showing up in searches by default. This allows users the privilege of having a curated anime-focused experience, which they can choose not to exercise at any time by toggling the option to show deleted posts in their settings or by searching for status:all or status:deleted.

Yeah that is the job of other sites especially when it comes to historical paintings such as that. danbooru exist for archiving digital art.

Blank_User & T34-38 said:

Versailles has it covered. Wikipedia has it covered. The painters that make and sell replicas have it covered. There are probably other imageboards focused on fine art that have it covered. Uploading it here only makes it marginally less likely it will be lost to time.

just because it's already archived by other sites doesn't mean we shouldn't do the same.

Blank_User said:

If preservation is your only concern,

it's not, the fact that it was approved and was active for 3 months before it was flagged along with other fine art still being active on the site and with the rules themselves being so flimsy all leads me to wonder why this one was all of a sudden singled out for flagging so vehemently, and again, there's so many images in the site depicting battles between soldiers in full armour, so why shouldn't this be accepted by what's shown in the art instead of just blowing it off because of its style and age?