Yes.
Straight to the Badass pool with you

I don't understand why do peoples always put Yuugi and Meiling together. I know Meiling is a melee style youkai but Yuugi is a deva. A deva likes one of the most strong oni, a deva that's like a youkai sage as Yuuka(kind of same level). A deva that can lift up a mountain(probably, since Suika do), a deva that's harder than steel.

Now seems to got hurt badly by fighting with Meiling. I am totally LOL. Awesome artist is surely awesome, once i get art program i will draw Yuuka that's get beat up by Daiyousai.

potatotomato said:
I don't understand why do peoples always put Yuugi and Meiling together. I know Meiling is a melee style youkai but Yuugi is a deva. A deva likes one of the most strong oni, a deva that's like a youkai sage as Yuuka(kind of same level). A deva that can lift up a mountain(probably, since Suika do), a deva that's harder than steel.

Meiling is a fucking badass, that's why.

potatotomato said:
I don't understand why do peoples always put Yuugi and Meiling together. I know Meiling is a melee style youkai but Yuugi is a deva. A deva likes one of the most strong oni, a deva that's like a youkai sage as Yuuka(kind of same level). A deva that can lift up a mountain(probably, since Suika do), a deva that's harder than steel.

Now seems to got hurt badly by fighting with Meiling. I am totally LOL. Awesome artist is surely awesome, once i get art program i will draw Yuuka that's get beat up by Daiyousai.

Some people make the connection that Meiling is part dragon. Gensokyo dragons are the supreme beings of the universe. Also watch out, people don't take well to seeing Yuka beat up.

potatotomato said:
I don't understand why do peoples always put Yuugi and Meiling together. I know Meiling is a melee style youkai but Yuugi is a deva. A deva likes one of the most strong oni, a deva that's like a youkai sage as Yuuka(kind of same level). A deva that can lift up a mountain(probably, since Suika do), a deva that's harder than steel.

Now seems to got hurt badly by fighting with Meiling. I am totally LOL. Awesome artist is surely awesome, once i get art program i will draw Yuuka that's get beat up by Daiyousai.

You are thinking too much of canon.

They're the two Touhous most likely to engage in unarmed hand-to-hand combat. Suika would be in there, too, but it's hard to make a foot and a half height difference look dramatic. (Although, damn, if you can...)

Actually, weren't the rules of danmaku created so that problems and fights could be solved in such a way as to not kill someone? I've been meaning to brush up on my Touhou knowledge, and I coulda sworn one of the rules of danmaku was to not kill your opponent...

Anyways, I think the stage level a character appears in is kind've subjective in regards to their actual power. Alice Margatroid values strategy over power, so she doesn't use her full power in a fight, even if it means she loses (or so I've read).

Meiling's face when:

Zun has always say that YOU decide what is your touhou universe.

If in your mind, Letty Whiterock est is powerful youkai, so she is. If you think that Suika is more gentle than the other, so she is.

This world is incredible because he has no wall, no bound. He is infinite.

So well, who care if Meiling beat Yuugi, on other people mind, she is Sakuya's biatch or a superjoke character.

Of course, characters has a definite power. But well, we can screw that so easily isn'it?

Ps: Sorry for my bad english.

Nevran said:
Zun has always say that YOU decide what is your touhou universe.

Pretty much this. While there is a canon, Zun himself said he prides himself in that Touhou is "Everyone's creation".

And did anyone else "See" Luka in this image? I can't unsee it.

Tetsamaru said:
Pretty much this. While there is a canon, Zun himself said he prides himself in that Touhou is "Everyone's creation".

And did anyone else "See" Luka in this image? I can't unsee it.

holy crap... cant and dont want to unsee

Tetsamaru said:
While there is a canon, Zun himself said he prides himself in that Touhou is "Everyone's creation".

That is the enormous strength of Touhou. That and the fact that fans have taken it to heart and create their own versions of Touhou all the time while also loving and respecting other people's work. It is also the guarantee that we will continue to see amazing fan creations for the next decades.

How amusing, watching at peoples that's get serious.

1. You surely will defend more a character that's you like more.

2. I was just talking about Yuugi is one of Deva there's already a guy that says "you are thinking too much of canon". Now Meiling is a part of dragon, are you insane of canon?

3. After you defeated Yuugi, you can see in the scenario that Yuugi is only toying with you(needless to say, without spilled a drop of her sake). But in case of Meiling, she totally failed her job of gate keeper.

4. Everyone's creation, everyone's comment/idea.

LOL. Dude, fandom is fandom.
It is true that Yuugi will probably beat Meiling without breaking a sweat or dropping her sake. That doesn't mean it's not any fun seeing such badass scenes like this.

Though personally, I would like to see more of badass Meiling and not joke character/everyone punching bag.

RandomRangerWhite said:
LOL. Dude, fandom is fandom.
It is true that Yuugi will probably beat Meiling without breaking a sweat or dropping her sake. That doesn't mean it's not any fun seeing such badass scenes like this.

Though personally, I would like to see more of badass Meiling and not joke character/everyone punching bag.

Totally agree with you. I hate those badassed images by illogically making others character punching bag"Illogical" consider as characters that's already pretty strong in ZUN's original setting.

Or...you know...we can go with the whole "Not good at danmaku" thing Meiling has, that I'm pretty sure is canon...Danmaku != Strength. Who knows how strong she really is. I mean, she could easily be stronger then Sakuya if they'd have an official match already.

Shinkukage09 said:
Or...you know...we can go with the whole "Not good at danmaku" thing Meiling has, that I'm pretty sure is canon...Danmaku != Strength. Who knows how strong she really is. I mean, she could easily be stronger then Sakuya if they'd have an official match already.

That there IS pretty canon. Which I so very much love
But of course...if the artist wants to make Meiling weak, they'll make her weak. If they want to make her strong enough to actually be on par with Yuugi they will.
That is the lovely thing about fandom though.
You either love it, hate it, or just don't give a damn about it.

potatotomato said:
How amusing, watching at peoples that's get serious.

You basically started the whole thing by asking the question in such a way as to say "Why is Meiling, a weak character, often paired with Yuugi, a strong character?" and then you rattled on about how strong she is.

The person who commented about Meiling being part dragon was a different person who said "You're thinking too much canon" It's not established what type of being Meiling is, but she's commonly depicted with dragons/associated with dragons, which is a fanon type thing and thusly has enough say in the Touhou fandom, which is basically "by the fans, for the fans." Other people were trying to express their fondness of Meiling, just like you expressed yours for Yuugi by talking her strong points.

I don't know what's so amusing about the comments, though. I don't think anyone's being all that serious, we're just playing around woth each other.

Tetsamaru said:
While there is a canon, Zun himself said he prides himself in that Touhou is "Everyone's creation".

This is one of the reasons why I love this fandom so much. The fanon always helps keeps things fresh and interesting, and you'll always find something you like sooner or later, regardless of canon or fanon. I hate hearing people who bitch about the Touhou fans who bring up something fanon, or go against the canon even the tiniest bit. The fans helped make Touhou this big and enjoyable, and it's because we're allowed to read what we want to into the story and characters.

Regardless of being a hardcore fan or a casual fan, we can all come together in our love of Touhou, have a drink, sing like those Whos or Oompa Loompa-things, and admire Meiling's nice rack-I mean this bad-ass picture.

Red_Frost said:
Something true.

I love you.

RandomRangerWhite said:
I love you.

I second that.

A fandom having so much influence over a series..... sounds way too much like a double edged sword to me. On one hand you get beautiful works like what we see here and remixed/rearranged music that other series could only dream of. On the other hand we get situations like this thread, the whole fanon vs canon nonsense and touhou becoming serious business. In my personal experience, a fandom should have no more control over a series than it's creator just on the fact that a fanbase isn't a hive mind, there will be discrepancies. However, given that zun has bestowed the fans with the power that Nevran describes, perhaps touhou is the exemption to that rule. Still when I see situations like with what went on here, I can't help but wonder.....

Red_Frost said:
Truth

Here's an internet for the epic truth...

For all the people still arguing on this picture, please take it easy :D

Tetsamaru said:And did anyone else "See" Luka in this image? I can't unsee it.

I thought it was Luka too. Hell, there's a whole club on DA dedicated to Vocaloid/Touhou crossovers.

Red_Frost said:
lots uf truths

I favorited this image just for your words full of wisdom, so I can quote them every time I see people ranting about things like these

Tetsamaru said:

Pretty much this. While there is a canon, Zun himself said he prides himself in that Touhou is "Everyone's creation".

didnt he also say that he doesnt care that people make fan works so long as they dont try to pass it off as theirs or something like that? if so zun is a fucking amazing guy