respectfully, i don't think art born from racism and spite should be up on here
I don’t think motivation from the artist or the uploader should play a factor at all for posts like these. It is not related to the art quality and would place an unnecessary burden on uploaders and Approvers. Putting art before motivation is a basic principle of how Danbooru works.
This is fundamentally no different than other controversial works that depict rape, incest, guro, NTR, etc. The only difference is that images depicting characters with a different skin color tend to attract more arguments in the comments. Instead of treating these posts differently, the commenters should be held to the same expectations they would be for any other content they might consider objectionable.
I fully blame Elon for this shit. Twitter was never a good place but over the past two years it has gotten so much worse I can’t even properly describe it. Everything goes into an algorithm designed to enable the absolute worst people involved and it just turns into one gigantic racist shit show. I’m tired.
I fully blame Elon for this shit. Twitter was never a good place but over the past two years it has gotten so much worse I can’t even properly describe it. Everything goes into an algorithm designed to enable the absolute worst people involved and it just turns into one gigantic racist shit show. I’m tired.
Absolutely. It not only enables but REWARDS it too with the monetize checkmark bullshit. They're untouchable because the reporting system doesn't work, and these people get paid for it.
Absolutely. It not only enables but REWARDS it too with the monetize checkmark bullshit. They're untouchable because the reporting system doesn't work, and these people get paid for it.
There is a genuine discussion to be had about identity in media but the moment something even gets somewhat close to the culture war barrier hundreds of blue checks will descend and start spewing off slurs and /pol/ lingo causing the discussion to bounce back and forth between extremes.
I fully blame Elon for this shit. Twitter was never a good place but over the past two years it has gotten so much worse I can’t even properly describe it. Everything goes into an algorithm designed to enable the absolute worst people involved and it just turns into one gigantic racist shit show. I’m tired.
Nobody forces you to browse it, you know that right?
@CGrascal : People who claim to hate either but ignore the huge double standard are not better, in fact is because of their "both side nonsens" that this kind of behavior happen.
@CGrascal : People who claim to hate either but ignore the huge double standard are not better, in fact is because of their "both side nonsens" that this kind of behavior happen.
Why do you care about the "double standard" of voting habits on a site where score is completely meaningless? This isn't reddit.
What about the double standard of artists being attacked by people that support blackwashing because they drew a character's skintone one shade lighter than normal?
It should be pointed out that Mirko is not black. She's likely tanned Japanese. Now whether she's naturally tanned, no one really knows. Then again Horikoshi has said Mirko is his ideal waifu, so he's probably talked about her skin tone somewhere. Also it's kinda odd that the artist made Mirko blonde, when her original white hair is already pretty similar.
@blindVigil : Maybe because double standard and hypocrisy are bad thing ? And I don't care aboot your cherrypicking outrage, one don't excuse the other.
Why do you care about the "double standard" of voting habits on a site where score is completely meaningless? This isn't reddit.
What about the double standard of artists being attacked by people that support blackwashing because they drew a character's skintone one shade lighter than normal?
because it says something about the people on here, doesn't matter if there's "meaning", they go out of their way to downvote harmless black redraw art meanwhile turn a blind to revenge whitewashing even though they think "they're the same and both bad".
and this point of bringing up artist getting attacked for a light tone change, it's false equivalency and is putting people in a box because of a shitty situation and because a minority of people are being shitty.
@blindVigil : Maybe because double standard and hypocrisy are bad thing ? And I don't care aboot your cherrypicking outrage, one don't excuse the other.
You're cherrypicking the irrelevant actions of this website comprised of thousands of users while ignoring actual things being done by other groups that directly harm people, things that happen every week at this point. I never said one excuses the other, I said you're doing the same damn thing you're criticizing.
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because it says something about the people on here, doesn't matter if there's "meaning", they go out of their way to downvote harmless black redraw art meanwhile turn a blind to revenge whitewashing even though they think "they're the same and both bad".
and this point of bringing up artist getting attacked for a light tone change, it's false equivalency and is putting people in a box because of a shitty situation and because a minority of people are being shitty.
I fully blame Elon for this shit. Twitter was never a good place but over the past two years it has gotten so much worse I can’t even properly describe it. Everything goes into an algorithm designed to enable the absolute worst people involved and it just turns into one gigantic racist shit show. I’m tired.
Nah. Twitter's been doing racewashing shit for years before Elon was in the picture. Remember white Nessa controversy?
You're cherrypicking the irrelevant actions of this website comprised of thousands of users while ignoring actual things being done by other groups that directly harm people, things that happen every week at this point. I never said one excuses the other, I said you're doing the same damn thing you're criticizing.
The irony
what because i pointed out the voting saying something? because it does lol, it's a literal statistic i've checked unlike the other example where it's people just picking out the bad people attacking and generalizing "everyone that supports 'blackwashing'"
what because i pointed out the voting saying something? because it does lol, it's a literal statistic i've checked unlike the other example where it's people just picking out the bad people attacking and generalizing "everyone that supports 'blackwashing'"
I never said "everyone" and your "literal statistic" is a single number that doesn't tell you anything about the people that voted. You don't know if the people that voted are even the same people participating in the discussions. You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of, "putting people in a box because of a shitty situation and because a minority of people are being shitty."
You have no idea if the people that vote and the people that comment are the same and just assume they are because it supports your narrative. "Hypocrisy, thy name is Arakai."
I never said "everyone" and your "literal statistic" is a single number that doesn't tell you anything about the people that voted. You don't know if the people that voted are even the same people participating in the discussions. You're doing the same thing you're accusing others of, "putting people in a box because of a shitty situation and because a minority of people are being shitty."
You have no idea if the people that vote and the people that comment are the same and just assume they are because it supports your narrative. "Hypocrisy, thy name is Arakai."
a "single number" that represents people dipshit, and the act of voting TELLS ME that's the point OF A VOTE
random twitter users you cherry pick out of 100,000s is not the same as literal fucking voting that has been proven MULTIPLE TIMES, I LITERALLY CHECKED
a "single number" that represents people dipshit, and the act of voting TELLS ME that's the point OF A VOTE
random twitter users you cherry pick out of 100,000s is not the same as literal fucking voting that has been proven MULTIPLE TIMES, I LITERALLY CHECKED
What are you even talking about? Danbooru has thousands of users. These posts have vote counts barely breaking three digits. The argument you keep trying to make is that this extreme minority of the site, this small number of people that voted, are representative of the entire site. It's not. You don't know who those people are. You don't know that the people that upvoted one are the same people that downvoted the other. It doesn't say anything about anyone without knowing who those votes belong to.
At least I'm "cherrypicking" people I can actually see.
What are you even talking about? Danbooru has thousands of users. These posts have vote counts barely breaking three digits. The argument you keep trying to make is that this extreme minority of the site, this small number of people that voted, are representative of the entire site. It's not. You don't know who those people are. You don't know that the people that upvoted one are the same people that downvoted the other. It doesn't say anything about anyone without knowing who those votes belong to.
At least I'm "cherrypicking" people I can actually see.
As of right now, post #8531516 (the infamous Dandadan one) has 25 upvotes and 89 downvotes, for a net score of -64. Most posts don't get scores this low unless they're really bad. As you said, though, the number may look negatively large, but it still pales in comparison to the number of users we have. Most users' feelings are likely apathetic or neutral to these posts. This is simply an example of the magnification fallacy.
There is one way one could find hypocrites with the votes if one really wanted to. You'd just need to cross-reference the commenters saying that blackwashing is bad with those upvoting the whitewashed posts. Downvotes may be hidden, but upvotes aren't (unless the voter chooses to hide them). It should go without saying, of course, that this information should be used responsibly.
@CGrascal : People who claim to hate either but ignore the huge double standard are not better, in fact is because of their "both side nonsens" that this kind of behavior happen.
Did you even look at the commentary for this image? The "fixed" comment is just simply a transparent attempt at mocking the phenomenon of folks on places like Twitter that complain about female characters being a bad image of what is acceptable and try to "fix" the problem. Look back at when Uzaki was the big news and folks blew a gasket. And with a child image of someone "fixing" the image in retaliation, the cycle is going to simply repeat again and again. This isn't some "both sides" mentality. It's common sense and prediction of social media turning people into absolute nitwits.
@CGrascal Sorry but "it's just a joke" excuse stop being a valid argument, when shitheads actually use it has an excuse to promote a shitty idea.
And yes it's clearly a both side issue, when one get dogpile, because the artists want some representation, has awkwardly done it is, when in the other hand, someone counterattack using racist rhetoric and tactics, only to get approved in the process.
@CGrascal Sorry but "it's just a joke" excuse stop being a valid argument, when shitheads actually use it has an excuse to promote a shitty idea.
And yes it's clearly a both side issue, when one get dogpile, because the artists want some representation, has awkwardly done it is, when in the other hand, someone counterattack using racist rhetoric and tactics, only to get approved in the process.
Sorry to be right.
So this means you're also calling out all the blackwashing "art fixers" too. or are you just being a little shit?
yes, repeatedly. Look up the Natlan Genshin impact characters on X, or Rappa, or like anything by Mihoyo, and you'll see a ton of blackwashers.
I only ever saw glimpses of that discourse, so I’m not as informed on it, but wasn’t that about how those characters are based on a culture that consists of POC and people were upset that they didn’t represent that?
Idk, seems kinda different of a situation since it’s about actual representation and not just fanart.
A situation of this that comes my mind that’s a bit more equal is an artist msdd human sonic characters, and made Knuckles (a character headcanoned as black) white. This caused one person to darken him and say “fixed it”. But people didn’t tolerate this, including the “blackwashers” and told them they shouldn’t edit other peoples art.
But this happens so little idk why it’s brought up so often, it’s such a small amount of people spread across long periods of time.
I only ever saw glimpses of that discourse, so I’m not as informed on it, but wasn’t that about how those characters are based on a culture that consists of POC and people were upset that they didn’t represent that?
Idk, seems kinda different of a situation since it’s about actual representation and not just fanart.
A situation of this that comes my mind that’s a bit more equal is an artist msdd human sonic characters, and made Knuckles (a character headcanoned as black) white. This caused one person to darken him and say “fixed it”. But people didn’t tolerate this, including the “blackwashers” and told them they shouldn’t edit other peoples art.
But this happens so little idk why it’s brought up so often, it’s such a small amount of people spread across long periods of time.
Uh. no they're not. they might be borrowing names from certain cultures, but they're not africans or latin americans. Such places don't exist in that game's world so demanding representation of those cultures is quite literally pointless. As for Rappa, they demanded she be recolors because "rap is a black thing" when it was invented by white people. Like Blues and blue grass, and hair braids.
Uh. no they're not. they might be borrowing names from certain cultures, but they're not africans or latin americans. Such places don't exist in that game's world so demanding representation of those cultures is quite literally pointless. As for Rappa, they demanded she be recolors because "rap is a black thing" when it was invented by white people. Like Blues and blue grass, and hair braids.
Well I’m not gonna argue about that specifically because I’m just uninformed on Genshin drama and honestly don’t want to go reading into Genshin stuff lol.
Anyway, it’s still unfair to accuse a whole because a few act like fools. Especially when the whole calls out the fools, which seems to be ignored.
I only ever saw glimpses of that discourse, so I’m not as informed on it, but wasn’t that about how those characters are based on a culture that consists of POC and people were upset that they didn’t represent that?
Idk, seems kinda different of a situation since it’s about actual representation and not just fanart.
The people upset about that weren't even the people from that culture. It was more privileged American savior complex BS. Many actual members of the culture were just happy to see aspects of their culture represented. Only Americans actually give a shit about skin color in media, because only Americans struggle to comprehend that most races come in multiple skin tones and skin color is almost never something that defines them.
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Anyway, it’s still unfair to accuse a whole because a few act like fools. Especially when the whole calls out the fools, which seems to be ignored.
You were literally doing this yesterday trying to claim 80-120 total votes spoke for the entire userbase, of thousands of users, of this website
The people upset about that weren't even the people from that culture. It was more privileged American savior complex BS. Many actual members of the culture were just happy to see aspects of their culture represented. Only Americans actually give a shit about skin color in media, because only Americans struggle to comprehend that most races come in multiple skin tones and skin color is almost never something that defines them.
You were literally doing this yesterday trying to claim 80-120 total votes spoke for the entire userbase, of thousands of users, of this website
Respectfully, I think this is too broad of an assumption/ statement to make. Not just the Genshin crap, just in general.
The people upset about that weren't even the people from that culture. It was more privileged American savior complex BS. Many actual members of the culture were just happy to see aspects of their culture represented. Only Americans actually give a shit about skin color in media, because only Americans struggle to comprehend that most races come in multiple skin tones and skin color is almost never something that defines them.
You were literally doing this yesterday trying to claim 80-120 total votes spoke for the entire userbase, of thousands of users, of this website
Also didn't see the second part and didn't wanna edit. But I and the user I agreed with didn't condemn ALL the users on here. We simply made an observation about the very clear bias on here. Votes don't represent everyone, but they sure do say something at the very least.
Personally this just feels like a lazy "bleached" edit. There's really no change except skin and hair color, like Caucasians have a range of color and facial options but the artist chose to be lazy with it. I can't respect that
Personally this just feels like a lazy "bleached" edit. There's really no change except skin and hair color, like Caucasians have a range of color and facial options but the artist chose to be lazy with it. I can't respect that
yes lets ignore the entire thing is a redraw in the artist's style and just complain about the color composition, which is blended and shaded correctly.
Uh. no they're not. they might be borrowing names from certain cultures, but they're not africans or latin americans. Such places don't exist in that game's world so demanding representation of those cultures is quite literally pointless. As for Rappa, they demanded she be recolors because "rap is a black thing" when it was invented by white people. Like Blues and blue grass, and hair braids.
Art discourse aside - "white people invented rap and blues" is one of the dumbest and funniest things I've heard someone say on this website. Genuinely impressive levels of "lmao what".
yes lets ignore the entire thing is a redraw in the artist's style and just complain about the color composition, which is blended and shaded correctly.
gassing up the whitewash drawing is crazy bro has to be a nazi 😭
Stupid art discourse aside, because I don't care - "white people invented rap and blues" is one of the dumbest and funniest things I've heard someone say on this website. Genuinely impressive levels of "lmao what".
Yeah, like, how is someone gonna come on here and expect to be treated like he has a neutral POV when spouting revisionism like that?
