Oh yeah totally, a youkai that stood up against Reimu in danmaku even after having her true form revealed would totally be overpowered by some villagers. Totally.
riiight,and then marisa? alice? sakuya? youmu? they only can blow you to smithereens,summon about a hundred doll to literally rape you while sipping some tea,stop time and carve you like a pig,slice you to 200 pieces only for her master dinner
in non danmaku battle they are not human,they not youkai, they not god, they're just fucking rapemachine
and for your information they all killed by nue except that fuckin Mr.man-im-so-cool-in-these-three-pages-with-my-awesome-bow he escape with his penis dangling inside his ass
You do know they're just joking, right? You know, breaking the wall and making commentary on doujins at the same time? Geez, some of you people need to lighten up and stop kneejerking.
Exhau said: Oh yeah totally, a youkai that stood up against Reimu in danmaku even after having her true form revealed would totally be overpowered by some villagers. Totally.
One, the exorcist temporarily weakened her magic by revealing her true form, and two, he weakened her further still by bringing out the arrow that was used to slay the Nue in the old legend she is based on. Its basically her kryptonite and he even states that as a creature who is born from human hearts and imagination (more specifically their fear) she has no choice but to be weak to what they imagine her to be weak to; that is, as a monster born of a human legend, she has no choice but to follow the "rules" of that story, ie - the Nue can be slain by Yorimitsu's arrows.
That said, I don't think that exorcist is really human. Nue herself seems surprised a humamn could get his hands on Yorimitsu's arrow and I would imagine such a thing is a legendary artifact. Seeing as how its been centuries since Yorimitsu slew the original Nue his arrow should have long since rotted away since it wasn't magical IIRC.
As for the "stood up against Reimu" part, we don't actually know how the fight went in canon beyond Reimu winning. For all we know Reimu curbstomped her and she's only difficult for people playing the games. In fact, the begginning of this doujin shows Reimu stomping her with ease by using no bombs so she's clearly nothing compared to Reimu in this doujin!
As for the villagers overpowering Reimu, they could. Physically she is an ordinary human aside from what must be incredible reflexes (otherwise she couldn't dodge those danmaku all the time). She has no superhuman strength so it sperfectly possible for normal humans to physically overpower her. That said, she could just use her Fantasy Heaven to become intangible and and invincible and they couldn't do a damn thing about it or any of her other powers. So, S1eth was right and he was wrong. Reimu isn't physically strog but she has a bunch of powers that compensate.
Nue (at least in this doujin) is just a shapeshifter and illusion user who can fly and launch danmaku. Nothing else. The author obviously takes the route that she is physically weak and reliant on her magic and powers. Its not impossible for humans to overpower supernatural beings. Most youkai are physically strong, but some are weak without danmaku or their powers (humans can easily overpower most fairies for example, and Wriggle isn't very strong without her danmaku or insect control powers).
Within the context of Red's interpretation of the canon, this is internally consistent. But I reject the interpretation itself. I totally reject the idea that youkai are completely controlled by human imagination, and I reject the idea that anyone with the ability to pull of magical clusterfucks as seen in the twohoe games can be physically overpowered by regular people.
In the same sense that it's logical to assume that Reimu would have abnormal reflexes from her ability to dodge danmaku, it would be logical to assume that she would have abnormal strength and stamina from her ability to continue such dodging over the course of, say, a single night.
Exhau said: Within the context of Red's interpretation of the canon, this is internally consistent. But I reject the interpretation itself. I totally reject the idea that youkai are completely controlled by human imagination, and I reject the idea that anyone with the ability to pull of magical clusterfucks as seen in the twohoe games can be physically overpowered by regular people.
In the same sense that it's logical to assume that Reimu would have abnormal reflexes from her ability to dodge danmaku, it would be logical to assume that she would have abnormal strength and stamina from her ability to continue such dodging over the course of, say, a single night.
Not really. She's flying as she dodges (or rather, she is flying in order to dodge), so unless magically-powered flight somehow requires physical strength (or magical stamina equals physical stamina), then it makes no sense for that to have any impact on her physicality. If anything, using flight for traveling long distances all the time would make her legs weaker than a normal persons!
That said, its canon that Reimu does not have super strength. Just look at some of the supplementary manga. I'm almost positive there is a chapter in Bright and Shining Nature Deity where she has difficulty lifting a large pot filled with water.
As for youkai being completely controlled by human imagination I can sort of see your point (humans can't literally will them away after all), but the fact of the matter is that most youkai literally can not exist without human fear. Its just their nature in canon, and in the context of this story its Nue's nature.
As for the weakness, it makes sense. If she's a creature born of human imagination, esepcially regarding a specific story where she had a specific weakness, it makes sense for her to retain that weakness. The oni are weak to beans because that's how humans originally envisioned them. The vampires in Gensokyo have nearly every kind of weakness ever imagined for vampires (save crosses), its just that they aren't so vulnerable as to be killed instantly by said weaknesses. Of course, that could very well be attributed to the fact that latter interpretations of them in fiction had them not being so vulnerable to said weaknesses. We'd have to ask Remilia if her vampiric weaknesses hurt her more when she was younger, way before vampires became popular in media, and if they only lessened relatively recently.
The only real issue is whether Nue is one of those youkai who is also physically stronger than humans. There are many who can easily overpower humans even if they look weak, but there are also quite a few that aren't so strong and are only dangerous because of their special abilities (there is a youkai that looks like an abandoned baby and is only dangerous because it sticks to you like glue when you pick it up and then makes itself super-heavy). Hell, in some of the original legends simply clearing your mind is enough to kill a Satori-type youkai like the Komeji sisters! Clearly Nue is one of the latter type of youkai in this doujin (and to be fair we've seen nothing in canon yet that suggests she is really strong) which sort of makes sense given the original Nue was defeated by a simple arrow (no magic involved IIRC) and never actually did anything beyond scaring the crap out of people.
