I've been waiting for a picture like this for so long...

Hm, realistically speaking... Shiki could beat both. At once.

I jest. My money is on Clare though, provided Emiya is Saber's master. Excalibur doesn't mean anything if it can't hit.

But even with Shirou, Saber is still pretty powerful.

Saber maybe powerful, but if she can't see Clare's movement and maintain herself on a high speed close range combat, she's pretty much doomed.

And Clare's only the weakest in her group.

Saber, being unable to keep up on a high speed close range combat?! Sorry but I think you underesstimate Saber and Servants in general a bit here.

Servants fight at incredibel speeds and reflexes. Bisides Saber has Instinct level A, wich is discribed as being almost precognition...

And evading a city-razing beam of death/light is not easy no matter how fast you are.

I admit that I'm not that knowledgeable on the speed of the Claymores since I only have seen the anime, but they didn't seem to be much faster than high-tier Servants.

Actually I think it would be a rather even fight...

Jehuty said:

Sorry If I seemed to underestimate Saber, I only watch the series and didn't bother to study it more, but from where I see it, Saber's pretty slow compared to most Claymores.

Well the FSN anime makes for poor references. The VN describes most servant battles too fast for the human eye.

Why people take such discussion that seriously?

Different works made by different authors, representing different worlds that follow different rules.

There is no way to correctly match powers to make a comparison.

makkun said:
Sorry If I seemed to underestimate Saber, I only watch the series and didn't bother to study it more, but from where I see it, Saber's pretty slow compared to most Claymores.

Moving at full speed backed by a Command rune, Saber can move at MACH 13.

Sigfried666 said:
Why people take such discussion that seriously?

They say you should leave your common sense at the door when you enter Gensokyo, but you leave ALL sense at the door when you enter a powerlevel discussion.

papugure said:
Hm, realistically speaking... Shiki could beat both. At once.

I jest. My money is on Clare though, provided Emiya is Saber's master. Excalibur doesn't mean anything if it can't hit.

Actually, by canon Tonho/Nanaya Shiki can't beat servants. Unlike Ryogi who can see the source of existence, Tonho/Nanaya can only see the end of existence. Servants are already considered "Dead" by the Akasha Records so they don't have lines or dots. He could concentrate to see the lines for their prana constructed bodies, but the strain would kill him instantly.

cd_young said:
Actually, by canon Tonho/Nanaya Shiki can't beat servants. Unlike Ryogi who can see the source of existence, Tonho/Nanaya can only see the end of existence. Servants are already considered "Dead" by the Akasha Records so they don't have lines or dots. He could concentrate to see the lines for their prana constructed bodies, but the strain would kill him instantly.

I concede. The strain would surely kill Tohno...however, the strain of doing just about anything can instantly kill him. He has EX Rank plot armor.

cd_young said:
Moving at full speed backed by a Command rune, Saber can move at MACH 13.

Even without a Command Rune, Saber (much like most of the Servants) is canonically supposed to be able to move at mach speeds.

Lancer is the fastest skirmisher, since he has an A in Agi. It's been stated he can "back step" two hundred feet in the blink of an eye and lunge 100 feet faster then the eye can follow. Saber's the second slowest, next to Beserker, and he's fucking fast.

cd_young said:
Lancer is the fastest skirmisher, since he has an A in Agi. It's been stated he can "back step" two hundred feet in the blink of an eye and lunge 100 feet faster then the eye can follow. Saber's the second slowest, next to Beserker, and he's fucking fast.

Clearly Emiya was exaggerating his narration or he never would have been able to accomplish half of what he did. Unless he actually has the ability to make his opponents legs turn into cement.

For the most part, the other half, surviving, isn't really his fault.